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for the

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this

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that

Plaintiff

and Counsel

deposition may be

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KELLY,

being produced,

the

Defendant,

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DIRECT

M.D.,

sworn,

deposes

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Q

Good morning,

Dr.

Kelly.

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A

Good morning,

Mr.

Davidson.

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This

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taken pursuant

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videotape

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My name

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Smith,

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Carolina.

My

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Company.

Dr.

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for

the

GERARD DAVIDSON,

is

to

in the

is

the

deposition of

case

Mulliss

of

Ralph

Dr.

R.

Emmet

Kelly,

and Moore

Kelly

full

Emmet

firm of

in Greensboro,

the

defendant,

North

Monsanto

you to

state

name.

A

Robert

Kelly,

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Q

And where

do

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A

665

Skinker,

you

Monsanto.

law

let me begin by asking

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South

Fisher versus

I'm with the

firm represents

record your

Emmet M.D.

JR.:

notice by both transcription and

Gerard Davidson.

Helms,

says:

EXAMINATION

QUESTIONS

BY MR.

and examined on

and

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taken

the

typewriting.

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for

M.D.

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Dr.

Kelly?

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you ever been

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Yes,

I

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And what period

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Queeny

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1936

was

Plant

you a medical

doctor?

am.

employed by

Monsanto

have.

employed

in

St.

of time

as

Louis

until March of

1942

was that?

a part

time physician at

from the

when

I

first part

went

in

the

of

January

service,

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I

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full

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forty

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that.

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Q

Were

you ever Monsanto's

medical director?

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A

Yes,

I

first medical

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director,

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Q

All

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A

84.

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Q

And how

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A

It's

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Q

Okay.

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physician?

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A

Yes,

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Q

And where

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returned

R.

of

'46

and remained there

time physician position until

medical

Kelly,

in March

1974.

Then

I

was.

and that

was

a

consultant

their

from 1946

sir.

is

And how

for

as

of

a

until

1974.

old

are you

and

a

nineteen

year

now,

after

sir?

your health?

for

Are

I

I

was

right,

good

was

November

the

am.

84.

you

currently under

the

care

of

a

Several.

did you obtain your

college

and

degrees?

Emmet M.D.

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

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I

received my Bachelor's

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University in

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Medicine.

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degree

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in

Q

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It was

1932

A

It was

a

a

combined

from the

And are

medical

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1930.

from St.

of

that

Science

led to

Louis

in

the M.D.

institution.

certified in

any areas

of

specialty?

Yes.

I'm board

certified in

8

I'm recertified

in

9

certified again

for medicine

10

Bachelor

course

same

you board

degree

internal medicine,

internal medicine,

under

and

the

I'm board

subspecialty of

occupational medicine.

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Q

All

right,

sir.

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the medical

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you have belonged or

or

Well,

the

professional

continue

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A

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society,

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Medical Association.

I

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the American College

of

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was

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Medicine

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Association.

Q

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went

belong,

of

to belong

course,

to

Society,

a member

Physicians.

to which

now?

the

local medical

and the American

of

I

of

a

still

fellow

am.

of

And

I

and the American Occupational Medical

All

to work

right,

sir.

Tell me

again when you

first

for Monsanto

A

January

24

Q

What were

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to work?

R.

was

organizations

some

the American Academy of Occupational

23

Kelly,

of

the Missouri Medical

a member

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I

And would you tell us

Emmet M.D.

15th,

your

1936.

job

duties

when you

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

first went

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A
I was a plant physician at their largest plant
in St. Louis, the Queeny Plant.
Q
What was the name of the plant?
A
Queeny.
Q
All right, sir.
A
Called Plant A at that time.
Q
And did Monsanto have a person designated a
medical director at that time?
A
No, they did
not.
Q
What were your duties as the plant physician?
A
It was twofold.
One was the treatment of any
occupational illnesses or any accidents that fell within
my specialty.
In other words, I wasn't setting
fractures or doing something like that.
And then also
it was a question of establishing a preventive medical
program to prevent any occupational illnesses as well as
to develop any incipient disease that would be not
related to their work.
Q
Did you as a plant physician ever have occasion
to tour the plant?
A
Oh, yes.
Quite frequently.
Q
And did you ever treat or give medical advice
to the workers themselves?
A
Yes, I did.
Q
And when did you become Monsanto's medical
director?
A
When I returned from the service in I believe
it was March of 1946.
Q
Okay.
And what, if you could very briefly,
were your responsibilities as the medical director?
A
Well, they were several fold.
First, it was to
insure that we did have an adequate or an excellent
medical representation in each of our plants and
laboratories, and also I was to obtain toxicological
information on any of our raw materials or products that
we did not know about, that we had no previous knowledge
about.
Third, I was to interface with the customers
about any warning labels or any precaution statements
dealing with toxicology or safe handling of our products
that we would have in our sales bulletins, marketing
bulletins or development bulletins.
Q
You used the term "toxicity".
Could you define
that for us?
A
It's the property of a compound to cause harm
to a person if taken m undue amounts.
Q
All right, sir.
As time went by, did it become
or did it evolve upon you to organize a medical
department at Monsanto?
A
Yes.
Q
Could you tell us what in your view at that
time and as time passed were the responsibilities of a
medical department?
A
Well, they were to insure that a safe working
environment was present for our employees.
It was also
to insure that we would furnish excellent medical
service from both the preventive aspect of medicine as
well as the treatment aspect of medicine for all
injuries and illnesses sustained in their employment.
We did not function as an HMO or as a family physician.
Q
All right, sir.
A
Also, we had to obtain toxicological
information on our raw materials and products.
Q
At the time you were forming a medical
department, what did you understand to be the role of a
medical department as it relates to occupational
medicine for a company such as Monsanto or any other
company?
A
Can you say that over?
Q
What did you understand to be the role of the
medical department as it relates to occupational
medicine in a company such as Monsanto?
A
Well, I think the role was twofold.
One, you
were the interface between the worker and the employer.
In a sense you were the worker's physician because you
had
he was your patient.
You wanted to be sure that

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he was

not

exposed

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career with Monsanto.

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insure

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customers

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toxicity of

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safely.

that

adequate

so

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Q

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department

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of

that

any

ill

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other

normally go

A

Well,

suppose

learning

we're

going

memorandum to me

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X."

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there was

any toxicity

15

Well,

chances

16

days.

17

manufacturing people,

"Is

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this?"

a

B2

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DuPont

of

the

20

companies,

I

would

21

say,

do

you

22

you have

23

experience

thus

24

Then

if he

didn't

25

that

had

Kelly,

R.

the

saying,

"We're

or

if

look up

Dow or

"What

one

to make

in

call

know

have

not been made

Emmet M.D.

about

the

handled

the

toxicity

Product X,

send a

letter,

to make

Product

literature

to

information

concerning

Product

up

there

any in those

Then

compound,

other

the

by someone

if

X.

early

company making

had been made

by

compounds

director

toxicity of

employees

anything,

see

a

would ask our

their medical

about

the

I

any other

any unpublished materials?

far as

our

the

there wasn't

it was

knew

about

going

There wasn't much done.

And

to

should be

department would

are

you had to

dispensed

about

12

would

working

How would a medical

and the manufacturing

I

facet was

and how they

11

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from his

they recognized what we

And how did you

products?

effects

information was

our products

its

10

to

or

What's

are

if

else,

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

and

this?

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your

concerned?"

it was

a

compound

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some

toxicity of

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Q

You're

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Testing

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All

our

own.

referring to

of

animals.

right.

Do

you

5

differentiate between the

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the

A

Oh,

yes.

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intertwined.

The

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compound

to

do

Quite

harm to

dose.

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you've

got

12

it

isn't

going

13

open operation where

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open to

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and

16

exposure

and the

17

judgment

call

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Q

All

19

about

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adopted at Monsanto

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like

22

of

23

would do would be

24

have

25

articles

The

hazard

the

is

air,

inhalation

hurt

the

things

that

Emmet M.D.

of

inherent property of

if

you get

a

are

but

if

fumes

to

or

you have

and the

to

got

an

liquids

skin

contact

toxicity when you're making

should be

I

would

like

now to

as

director,

its medical

review the

reviewing

a

done with a product.

that

director

are

take both the

or

and

ago

a medical

literature.

the medical

related to Monsanto's

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

ask you

you used or

You mentioned a minute

to

exposure.

inside pipes,

you've

get both

a

an excessive

kettle

So

and

they are both

and procedures

a medical

a practice

think

inside

inherent

out

I

the

liable

sir.

substance

an excessive

contact.

right,

a

you have

there

about what

start

a bit.

anybody,

you're

some policies

to

if

own mind

substance?

somebody

something

to

your

toxicity of

toxicity is

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hazard associated with a

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Kelly,

toxicity testing?

and

I'd

that

one

department

Did you

scientific

products?

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Q

And

3

A

When

I

was

a

4

person

in

the medical

5

only a

few

journals

6

devoted

to

7

toxicological

8

those.

9

Q

Could

A

That was

10

either

solo

operator

department,

in the

you

I

was

there were

English language

industrial

problems,

and

the

luckily

that were

hygiene problems

so we

only

or

certainly subscribed

I'm sorry.

Go

ahead.

I

to

didn't

mean

11

the

early days.

12

when

13

journals,

14

hygienists

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Q

All

16

subscribe

to

some

17

the

of

any of

18

days?

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A

20

"American

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That

22

believe.

23

Industrial Medical Association".

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occasional

25

"Journal

Kelly,

R.

there were more

some

names

of

journals,

our

Yes.

sir.

of

of

journals.

ones

about,

And then there was

of

article

or

a

when we

specialized

and

sent me

that

industrial

abstracts

case

the

there was

Hygiene

oh,

in

the

the

'50's,

of

The A.M.A.

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

early

and Toxicology".

"Journal

report.

them.

you

in the

I

the

had an

That was

the American Medical Association".

Emmet M.D.

of

Can you remember

existed

States,

Industrial

ceased publishing

on,

And you mentioned that

these

the

and

In the United

Journal

more

toxicologists

reviewed those

right,

Later

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that we

subscribed to

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which

sort

similar

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10

Q

11

involves

12

biphenyls

13

A

Yes,

I

do

14

Q

And

if

I

15

also

some

reviews

in

the

but

every

so

Then

of

only

Are

the

it was

allegations

to

published

Dr.

A

That's

17

Q

There's

I

use

a

19

relationship between

20

chlorinated diphenyl?

called

They are

22

American Chemical

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the

names

of

24

from

1936

on,

Kelly,

R.

Was

Industrial

"Lancet,"

England

Journal

that

the

of

Kingdom.

Fisher

case

to polychlorinated

am.

those

a

interchangeably,

PCBs,

polychlorinated biphenyls?

the

seen

in various

chlorinated biphenyl

the

same.

Society did

lot

I've

chlorinated diphenyl.

of

and they

Emmet M.D.

terms

term that

publications

Q

chemical

"American

of

as

some

correct.

18

25

of

of

in the United

Kelly,

relating

the

well

"New

of

PCBs?

16

A

the

review

Journal

as

Journal

internal

aspect

there was

"English

you aware,

or

clinical

in England,

I mean,

to

often they had a

you understand that means

21

England

which was mostly devoted

dealing with the

is

"New

term

They just

something

chemicals

What

about

changed the prefix

the

and

changed

someplace

The

changing

along

"di"

"chlorinated diphenyl"

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

is

the

to

used

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3

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That's

4

Q

But when we

5

about

6

A

That's

7

Q

All

8

literature

9

until

10

A

Yes,

11

Q

And you mentioned that

the

same

you

13

as

well;

That's

15

Q

Now,

17

and

18

scientific

19

retired,

20

were

you have

occasion to

PCBs

in the

as

to

focus

from the

in

1930's

22

Q

Did you review

any articles

23

Monsanto

that

that

24

used

Kelly,

R.

1974,

when you

to persons

who

equipment?

did not.

indicated

in electrical

sir,

Emmet M.D.

use

in the

health effects

No,

No,

to

such electrical

on the

transformers

find any reports

any adverse

PCBs

such as

A

A

literature

in particular

equipment,

Did you

literature

to

up

time went by others

21

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the

correct.

capacitors.

about

review

accurate?

I'd like

I

talking

company?

in electrical

exposed

we're

did.

that

A

PCBs

either,

department would review that

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toxicity of

the

I

the medical

is

talk about

correct.

on the

in

"polychlorinated

correct.

right.

12

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thing?

left

16

later

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while

could not

you were

at

safely be

equipment?

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did not.

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1930's

in

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such electrical

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Well,

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with Monsanto

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used

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described.

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to whether

a

in the

in

year

did have

the

later,

not

late

and

could be

'30's.

I

I mean,

safely

sir.

I

came

probably heard about

and through the

electrical

right,

PCBs

in

equipment?

opinion they

safely in

All

'36,

or

form an opinion back

could be

equipment

And

rest

of

in

PCBs

the

'30's

used and were being

such as

could they be

you

used without

any particular precautions?

12

A

Oh,

13

Q

What precautions

14

in

15

the

late

A

no.

1930's

The

and early

way through.

That

17

repeated

skin

contact,

18

materials

at

19

spaces.

20

intended to be

22

Monsanto

23

opinion that

24

electrical

25

A

Kelly,

R.

that

should

I

an

opinion

believed

in all

the

avoid prolonged and

and you

should avoid breathing

elevated temperatures

It was

Q

you

necessary in your

1940's?

same precautions

16

21

were

industrial

or

in

chemical.

confined

It was

not

tenure

at

taken by mouth.

Did you at

any time

until

retirement

your

PCBs

were

during

in

your

1974

come

to

unreasonably dangerous

the

for use

in

equipment?

No,

sir,

Emmet M.D.

I

did not

ever

come

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

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conclusion.

2

Q

Well,

1930's,

did you believe,

3

the

4

toxic properties

5

A

beginning of

to

have

7

mild to moderate

8

chemical

9

Q

is

But

All

I

toxicity as

get

precise

opinions

11

let me

12

toxic properties

to

PCBs

industrial

end

of

had any

chemicals

considered this

far

a more

as

an

of

13

A

I'm sorry.

14

Q

In your

and

16

which precautions

MR.

PCBs

to be

in a

industrial

I

lost

were

the

18

question unless

19

his

20

workers,

knowledge

21

chemical

PCBs

22

he's

a

qualifications

and

qualified to

23

Q

Go

24

A

Would

25

repeated.

were

as

it

Emmet M.D.

in your

on

the

express

'40's?

in the

of

1930's

PCBs

for

taken?

object

to

the

been presented as

studies,

examination

literature,

knowledge

contaminants

I

opinion the

and

existed

Plaintiff will

and whether

to

of

of

or

the

not

an opinion.

ahead and answer,

you

but

toxic properties

based

its

in a moment,

1930's

foundation has

of

your

you.

needed to be

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discussion of

opinions

in the

opinion,

15

what

detailed

and detailed

ask you briefly what

17

that

the

concerned.

We'll

'40's,

say at

them?

toxic properties.

10

R.

1940's,

Certainly they did.

6

Kelly,

the

let's

would

doctor,

like

to

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

have

the

in FISHER

question

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1

Q

All

2

and early

3

for which precautions

1940's,

4

A

5

skin.

6

cause

7

problems

8

chloracne.

9

Q

10

that

right.

In your

what were

a

could be

chemical

could be

opinion

right,

sir.

1930's

of

PCBs

taken?

absorbed through the

could

It

cause

occurred.

And upon what

could

liver

It

could

cause

did you base

generally?

A

What were

12

Q

The

13

A

Well,

late

the

time

1930's

we

had

14

that

the

target

15

that

it

could be

16

work done by Drinker

17

the material,

18

target

frames

and early

some

organ was

acute

the

again?

1940's.

studies

liver.

absorbed through the

on

inhalation as

which again

showed the

It

that

showed

also

showed

skin.

well

liver

There was

as

feeding

to be

of

the

organ.

19

Q

20

scientific

literature?

21

A

The

Drinker

22

Q

During

Were

these materials

23

medical

24

responsibility

25

handling

R.

late

toxic properties

It

if prolonged exposure

All

in the

absorbed by inhalation.

hepatitis.

11

Kelly,

the

needed to be

The material

It

opinion,

studies

the period of

director,

for

what

approving

was

in the

were published,

time

department

information that

Emmet M.D.

published

the

that

yes.

you were

at Monsanto

toxicity and

the

had the

safe

given to Monsanto's

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

in FISHER

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1

customers ?

2

A

Medical

3

Q

And when was

that policy instituted?

4

A

Well,

sort

5

instituted

6

was

7

unofficial

8

which

9

corporate

in

department.

it was

1946

established,

is

when the

but

prior

policy because

right

next

offices,

to

11

down to me,

12

was

13

unofficial,

14

in

15

that

16

information

after

available went

but

1946 when

all

the

such

Q

Was

18

A

Yes.

19

Q

Why did you

20

A

Because

than

22

anybody else

Q

Well,

23

toxicity and

24

regarding

its

25

A

Well,

Kelly,

R.

Emmet M.D.

in the

central

office

the

sort

and the

would

So

Committee put

should

all

come

knew more

in the

up,

send them

that

I

it was

out

when

a

as

statement

such toxicity

handled by the medical

institute

of

Plant,

knowledge

company.

policy instituted at

I

a

Queeny

any problems

your

department.

request?

such a policy?

about

the

toxicity of

PCB

company.

how did Monsanto

safe

it was

Department

completely thorough as

statements

should be

officially

unload the problem and

Executive

that

was

awhile my

as

17

21

I

that

through the

not

It was

Central Medical

and when

they were very happy to

a

to

the

10

and

of

handling

typically publish the

information

to

its

products?

it varied with the

audience

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

that

in FISHER

they

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1

were

sending

2

to

3

toxicity?

4

Q

Right.

5

A

Well,

divide

it

it

to.

into

6

first putting

7

information,

8

that's

9

we

safe

it

We

published

it

You

said

handling

handling,

on the

because

10

protect

11

more

12

of various

caution

themselves

elaborate

13

labels,

that's

against

trying

were

15

material

could be

16

idea

its

17

development

bulletin which

18

properties,

the

19

toxicological

to

the

used,

that

well

as

handling

saw and

cognizant

label

as

effects.

to

of.

So

how to

Then we

our bulletins,

where

we

had

which were

customers

didn't

have.

see where

might

And we

have

and we

this

some

had this

listed the physical

there were marketing bulletins

same

22

marketing bulletin was

23

so

information,

24

use.

but

directed to

information was more

Emmet M.D.

to

when people

chemical

listed the

properties.

much of

Then

trying

dielectric properties,

21

R.

in

ill

when we were

use

Then

Kelly,

to be

have

started

the workers

on the

any

we

development bulletins

were

for

safe

as

also

types.

14

25

the

what

statements

information

There

that

obviously,

what we wanted the worker

had the

20

safe

And we

there were

or

this

a

less

letters

was

specific

that

A

use,

targeted at

and telephone

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

had

in FISHER

and

that

calls

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1

that

I

got

all

2

products,

3

But when we

4

calls,

5

reviews

6

as

7

Hygienists,

8

reports

but

we

the

the

did

sent

of

time

ones

get

out

from various

on

PCB were

any of

either

toxicity by

these

in

that we

Q

Did you use

10

Monsanto's

all

11

precautionary measures

customers

as

to

regarding

16

of

its

those

A

To

18

Q

All

to

forth.

those

tell

inform

take

any

necessary?

of

you received

them everything we

right,

sir.

Who

them.

telephone

toxic

calls

policy

effects

in the

knew.

company responded

inquiries?

A

21

Sometimes,

if

22

industrial

hygienist might

23

any health aspects

24

department.

25

toxicity,

R.

need to

sponsored.

to

about possible

20

Kelly,

such

Industrial

What was Monsanto's

inquiries

or

products?

17

19

these means

the purpose

You mentioned that

15

from work we

was

Q

so

telephone

own toxicological

were

13

and

or

organizations,

that

Oh,

letters

our

the

A

and

That

of

12

14

yes.

cases,

various

infrequent.

of Governmental

obtained

9

letters

knowledgeable

some

had

rather

toxicity information

the American Conference

or,

companies,

Usually one

a

it were

If

of

an

our

doctors

industrial

send

involved,

it were

just

it

the

headquarters.

hygiene matter,

if

the

it.

But

came

from the medical

a plain request

toxicologist might

Emmet M.D.

at

respond.

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

But

there were

for

I

in FISHER

can

say

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that

I

probably

2

correspondence

3

Q

4

industrial

5

or

6

all

7

medical

a

When

reviewed or

leading

you referred to

hygienist might

those

Yes.

9

Q

Was

10

information

11

Monsanto?

12

A

a

under

it

could

come

sir.

It

No,

a

possible

that

all

the

that

an

a particular

different

your

inquiry

inquiry,

direction

all

salesman goes

were

in the

is

15

agent

16

use?"

17

General Motors

for

18

certainly is.

General Motors

19

been

20

the man

said,

21

talk to

our

22

more

definite."

23

say,

"Well,

24

department,

at

PCB

the

as

into

on what

an hydraulic

certainly,

calling

on

ten

them.

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doctor

He

fluid.

this

years,

I'd

like

about.

you mean.

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man has

he would

used

it

felt

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to

this

been

say,

safe

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the man

request

on to

and you'll

at

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have

I've

But

if

I

could

something

salesman would

the medical

hear

from them."

the beginning

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

to

it

years

something

to

to

selling

for ten

have

I'd like

You mentioned that

Emmet M.D.

at

I've had no problems."

send your

St.

if

handling

Ford Motor Company and he

Ford Motor Company says,

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safe

departments

depends

14

offering

toxicity and

from other

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R.

fact

answer

13

Kelly,

of

department?

A

Q

the

answer

individuals

8

25

carbons

dealing with these matters.

toxicologist might

of

saw

you were

in FISHER

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1

the medical

2

come

3

to

join you

A

4

department

in the medical

Elmer Wheeler

work probably

in

5

Q

19

6

A

'47.

7

Q

1947?

8

A

That's

9

Q

All

10

yourself.

1937,

When

else

department?

came

to

as

recall.

I

did anyone

do

the

industrial

hygiene

'47.

correct.

right,

sir.

And what was Mr.

Wheeler's

background?

11

A

He

was

a

chemical

12

He

had done

13

he

had a Master's.

14

hygienist

for

15

the Army,

with the Army

16

for

17

industrial

18

Q

19

the

a period of

He

State

one

you

was

22

a

23

'51

24

some background

in

25

considerable

the

Kelly,

R.

of New

two

an

I

years,

don't

to

know

if

industrial

Hampshire.

Industrial

remember who

21

working

or

or

Hygiene

He

worked

in

Laboratory,

and he was

a

qualified

of

'52.

in

the

years,

We

on

Emmet M.D.

the

next person was

that

department?

Jack Garrett,

couple

had worked as

had gone

hygienist.

Do

A

He

some work on his Master's.

joined the medical

20

engineer.

who

Jack was

a Master's

research department

at

and he

think

sent

came

him up

to

industrial

job

to

us

I

Texas

in

Liberty Mutual

hygiene.

to

Then he

who

City for

1952,

get

did

training with Wheeler.

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

in FISHER

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1

Q

2

names

3

did the medical

4

specialists ?

5

Okay.

of

the

A

I'm not

going

individuals,

Yes.

had

6

When

I

7

four

industrial

8

full

time physicians.

9

Department.

left,

we

but

department

We

to

ask

over

you to

the

continue

ended up with

hygienists

four

and a

That's

years

to

started adding

after

toxicologists

in

of

the

Central Medical

out

10

they were plant

employees,

although there was

11

line

12

Q

Okay.

Did you at

organization that

14

companies

15

A

Yes.

16

Q

What was

17

A

Well,

18

which was

19

multi

20

of Occupational Medicine,

21

employees.

22

There were

23

Manufacturing

24

Petroleum Institute,

25

directors

Kelly,

R.

was

around the

a

but

dotted

in an

directors

of

country?

that?

a Medical

an organization of

operations.

They didn't

of

too,

any time participate

composed of medical

there was

also

the plant,

department.

13

plant

and

extra

had people

the medical

that,

toxicologists.

We

to

at

the

grow and add

couple

all

name

35

medical

There was

Forum,

directors

of

the American Academy

which was

have

committees

Directors

a

group

to be medical

of various

of

full

time

directors.

groups,

the

Chemists Association and American

large

Emmet M.D.

whose members

were mostly medical

companies.

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

in FISHER

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1

Q

2

ever have

3

plants?

4

As

A

the medical

I

5

and Canada until

6

or

7

operations.

late

saw all

the

'50's,

of

late

'60's,

and then

Was

this

just

9

A

Oh,

no.

The United

10

sometimes

11

twice

12

small plant

13

employees

14

would refine

15

no

16

three

17

But

18

year

I

But

that

just

years.

so

We

our

had

All

20

institute

21

examinations

I

one

a

every year,

I

that

had

saw

sometimes

small plant

operation.

saw

couple

sir.

As

We

about

had

a

50

They had

They

them once

of

I

or

small bottling plants.

saw

at

least

once

a

did have

came

medical

director,

did you

would provide physical

24

giving

examinations

at

the

25

wasn't

widespread.

So

I

Emmet M.D.

a

operations

every two

plants.

R.

European

only

23

Kelly,

I

our

some

and there was

for Monsanto's

We

saw

from cocoa butter,

a policy that

Yes.

of

I

oftener.

right,

When

once

Virginia

had

some

States

chemical plants

sometimes

Q

saw

it were

caffeine

hazard there,

A

if

and then

States

time visits?

see

in Norfolk,

19

22

tried to

year.

any of

one

I

Q

or

did you

them in the United

8

a

of Monsanto,

occasion to visit Monsanto's manufacturing

Yes.

the

director

there,

employees?

a policy at

they were

Plant A in

certain of

still

St.

they were

Louis,

but

instituted a policy that

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

in FISHER

the

it

all

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wage

roll

employees

would be

examined at various

2

intervals

depending

on their

age

3

on the possibility of

4

Q

And was

5

A

It was

6

at

7

compulsory.

least

8

Q

In

9

employees

a voluntary examination?

voluntary,

but

because

of Monsanto,

11

employees ?

12

A

13

there was

considerable

14

chemicals

in

15

all

the people

that

show up

16

with

cancer.

And at

first

17

insurance

18

but

19

under

20

premium or

21

after,

22

the

23

both wage

roll

24

insurance

company in

25

department,

Kelly,

R.

with respect

Yes.

In

to

any

1949,

cancer,

about

it

had

the

employees

I

the

98

percent

it was

over

cancer

I

started

the

will

90

role

keep

or

that.

concerned,

of

But

employee,

then

Louis,

of

all

of

after,

noncontributory as

so

of

the people were

everybody was

salaried employees.

list

list

the

they paid ten percent

like

St.

a

of

insurance program

cancer

percent

the

in your

partly defrayed by the

were

a

I

on our

it became

and

of

it was,

thought

'50's

make

Emmet M.D.

believe

records

discussion about

even though

something

keep

instance

I

so

program was

still

in

think

everybody thought

did you

years

that,

I

connection with your monitoring the

10

we

somewhat

exposure.

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compliance

and depending

our

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I

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far

as

covered,

had the

insurance

the malignancies

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

the

in FISHER

that

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1

came

in,

and

she

2

or

3

any clustering

4

I

sent

every quarter

didn't

I

of

them to me,

went

When

6

A

They bought

7

Company in

8

producing

it

since

9

producing

it

from 1935

10

Q

its

did Monsanto

1935,

so

a

there was

the

departments.

start producing

they produced

either

Did Monsanto

'29

until

have

a

or

PCBs?

Swann Chemical

Swann had been

'30.

So Monsanto was

they

ceased

in

1977.

trade

name

that

it

applied

PCB products?

A

Yes.

13

Q

Do

14

first

15

taken over by Monsanto?

It was Aroclor.

And this

know whether

was

you

adopted by the

A

I

17

Q

All

18

products

designated by a

19

a

following

20

explanation of

number

don't

know

right.

for certain,

Now,

it.

I've

but

name

I

that

think

heard

system,

Can you give

was

us

it was.

the various

Aroclor with

a brief

that?

A

Yes.

First,

22

Aroclors

are

23

There

24

diphenylbenzene

25

chlorinated diphenylbenzene

not

P

you have

are not

some Aroclors

Emmet M.D.

a

was Aroclor.

Company and then

also

numerical

21

are

that

Swann Chemical

16

R.

in any of

if

company called the

12

Kelly,

see

find any.

Q

to

them to

any cancers

5

11

over

and every quarterly

and

that

to

realize

chlorinated

are

all

biphenyls.

chlorinated

some Aroclors

and

that

that

are mixtures

of

chlorinated diphenyl.

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

in FISHER

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1

So

2

diphenyl.

3

and the

4

chlorination.

So

1242

5

chlorinated to

42

percent

6

1254,

7

percent.

8

4465,

9

chlorinated diphenylbenzene

chlorinated to

10

Then you would

5400

11

pure

12

of

13

diphenylbenzene

14

the

1200

series

was

They had

last

The

Then

two

would mean

in the

get

into

of

the

All

15

in

16

capacitors?

Oh,

Were

equipment,

17

A

no

18

millions

of pounds.

19

Q

What were

4400

series,

I

which

54

series.

is

60

such as

65

a

percent.

the

of

only one

chlorine.

from using

transformers

attributes

the

chlorinated

percent

it.

and

which was

think

there benefits

question about

the

of

1242.

chlorinated diphenyl

chlorinated to

right.

electrical

5460,

of Aroclor

the

chlorinated diphenylbenzene.

any prominence was

12,

chlorinated biphenyl

an average

into

were

the mean

case

chlorinated to

a mixture

a

chlorinated

numbers

average,

they would get

which was

diphenyl,

first

designated the

it would be

Q

20

the pure

That's

and

why we

that made

PCBs

sold

it

attractive?

21

A

Well,

it was

a

good dielectric.

22

didn't

transmit

23

it was

relatively noninflammable.

24

used mineral

25

you got

Kelly,

R.

a

electrical

oil,

fire

Emmet M.D.

but

in a

fluid.

But

That means

the big point was

Previously they had

the problem with mineral

transformer

it

you

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

can have

oil

quite

in FISHER

is

if

a

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1

raging

2

not

3

train

4

tall

5

equipment,

6

it's

7

something

8

fire

9

was

10

fire.

like

the

in

or

a

Some

of

these

transformers,

little

transformer

your house.

They have

something

like

that.

and there's

flammable

and

going.

fluid,

catches

So

a

I

on

think

Do

you

know who

electrical

12

transformers

and

capacitors?

13

A

Westinghouse

14

Q

And did Monsanto

fluid for GE

A

Yes.

presume

It was

they

Do

19

A

I mean

Do

of

good

a

if

or

sized

good one

States

were major

the

big ones.

PCB dielectric

you happen to

applied to

23

used?

24

A

Inerteen.

25

Q

And do

Emmet M.D.

they manufactured,

other manufacturers

and

also.

know

not manufacturers.

equipment.

Westinghouse

R.

Yes,

other users,

22

Kelly,

And

such as

manufacture

GE

you happen to

Manufacturers

Q

equipment

and GE were

sold them to

Q

21

a

of

and Westinghouse?

18

20

got

in the United

of

I

feet

a big piece

inflammability was

manufacturers

17

eight

struck by lightning

you've

are

an electric

fluid in there.

it's

11

16

they're

know,

a main purpose.

Q

15

of

fire,

runs

They are

So

lot

if

that

you

know what

the

trade

dielectric

you happen to

know what

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

name

fluid that

the

trade

in FISHER

they

name

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1

was that General Electric used?

2

A

Pyranol.

3

Q

Are

4

PCBs

5

capacitors?

you aware who

in dielectric

6

A

General

7

Q

Were

8

When

you

9

there

10

A

11

there were,

12

PCBs

13

uses.

14

Q

15

there

other uses

1937,

As

for

that

but

I

the

I

I

years

strike

than dielectric

I mean,

1936

that

and

there were

other

developed,

They started using

it

as

it

18

it was

19

used

in die

20

used

it

as

a

21

used

it

in

carbonless

an hydraulic

automobile

fluid to

hydraulic

casting machinery and

heat

transfer

22

Q

the

23

director

of Monsanto,

24

problems

in any

25

to

PCBs?

R.

Emmet M.D.

agent

a plasticizer.

I

don't

think

but

it was

fluids,

stuff

fluid?

learned about

those were?

They used

were

eventually

went by and other uses

what

that.

early years,

of

17

During

and

some

Yes.

Kelly,

in

recall

us

A

in

came

not

16

used

other

can recall.

when

do

Let me

company in the

PCBs

can you briefly tell

as

transformers

on using

Electric.

uses

Not

in

fluid for

came with the

other

held the patents

like

that.

fairly widely,

They

and they

carbon paper.

years

were

that

you were

there

of Monsanto's

any

workers

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

PCB

the medical

related health

that were

in FISHER

exposed

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MR.

1

it

McCREA:

can be

To which

Plaintiff will

established that

2

unless

3

Company established an appropriate medical protocol

4

detect both acute

and

chronic

5

Q

Would

you

6

A

Yes,

please.

7

Q

During

the

time

that

8

director,

were

there

any

PCB

9

reported to

10

you

MR.

like

Same

A

No,

12

Q

And to

your

13

personal

injury

or workers'

14

against

there were

it because

the

reason that

again for

17

one would have

18

protocol

19

by the

20

established that

21

established by Monsanto

22

detect

23

systemic

actions

24

A

What was

25

Q

To

Kelly,

R.

to

exposure

and

your

Emmet M.D.

to

or

It's

there was

chronic

ever have

a

claim filed

PCBs?

objects

to

the

to present

a

question

claim

an appropriate medical

PCBs.

of

PCB workers?

compensation

any acute

to

the medical

did Monsanto

in order

undergo

detect

question?

objection.

Plaintiff

16

the

related health problems

exposure

McCREA:

acute

repeat

you were

knowledge,

of

to

none.

MR.

to

to

in any of Monsanto's

McCREA:

Kelly or Monsanto

health problems.

for me

11

15

Dr.

object

chronic

injuries

caused

simply not been

a medical protocol

Company or

any other

health problems

company to

caused by

PCB.

the

question again?

knowledge,

did Monsanto

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

During

in FISHER

the

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1

time

that

you were

2

ever have

3

compensation

4

claiming that

5

exposure

the medical

a personal

to

6

injury

a worker was

McCREA:

No,

8

Q

Did you review

9

that were

10

A

sir,

claims

12

occupational

13

department

14

the

15

basis

16

Q

or

all

for

the

on,

a

result

result

there were

the workers'

all

reports

illness,

on a

reports

or

of

none.

compensation

claims

the workmen's

of

were

occupational

injury,

reviewed by the medical

quarterly basis.

from the

compensation

insurance

We

got

the

company on a

reviews,

quarterly

our workers.

And

those

19

let me

ask

reports

of

MR.

McCREA:

there

claims

Again,

reason that

21

workers

22

medical protocol

23

problems

24

there's

25

investigation with respect

who were

is

you again then,

20

R.

a

filed against Monsanto?

11

Kelly,

as

objection.

they had

From 1946

exposure?

a workers'

injured as

Same

A

18

it

did Monsanto

PCBs?

7

any of

claim or

claim filed against

MR.

17

director,

no

detect

caused by PCBs.

no

PCBs

acute

related to

objects

to

for

showing that

any of

participated

in a

or

chronic

that Monsanto

chronic

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

see

PCB

the

the

health

Plaintiff would note

evidence whatsoever

Emmet M.D.

Plaintiff

evidence

exposed to

to

that were

did you ever

that

had any

health problems.

in FISHER

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1

In addition,

2

which we

3

made

available,

4

that

field is

5

Plaintiff

6

A

7

the

8

don't

11

PCBs ?

12

related to

to

the

to

A

Did your

claims

you

MR.

15

us,

would require

Okay.

indicate

the

have before

and which have

knowledge

that

records,

never been

statistics

as

Therefore,

question.

side

tracked.

claims

17

opinions

18

of

if

or

I

have

to

have

MR.

McCREA:

horse

that

the workers'

you have

objection.

such

claims

part

that

did the

about

Again,

front

here.

It's

20

Monsanto

21

systemic health problems

22

chronic basis.

23

protocol

was

24

determine

if

25

suffered from systemic poisoning

I

saw,

you had

play in

your

got

absolutely no

the

cart

Emmet M.D.

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

no

in

shown that

to

detect

on an acute

showing

that

and

a

Company to

with exposure

of

saw

that

caused by PCBs

these workers

I

fact

not been

implemented by Monsanto

and

to

on.

Company developed a medical protocol

There's

ever

from 1946

PCBs

we've

19

described

based upon exposure

Same

complaints

PCBs?

of

every quarter

any,

about

the

review

claim was

no

reports

What,

worker

a

McCREA:

insurance

16

R.

of

epidemiology.

reports

There were

Q

Kelly,

compensation

question back.

10

14

workers'

think we were

compensation

13

analyze

objects

I

Q

9

to

PCBs.

to

PCBs

Therefore,

in FISHER

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1

the

lack

of

any

2

established that

3

collect

the

Q

Would

5

A

I

there was

you answer

really

Would you repeat

7

MR.

8

made

9

times.

10

go

your

Let's

same

just

so

before,

that

15

question again.

16

again.

It's

MR.

18

Q

All

the

your

20

upon exposure

21

toxicity of

that

to

Well,

have

McCrea

same

this

You've

speech,

three

time

he

so

can

I

can

incorporate

said

"same

objection"

I'm going

to

ask the

to make

the

speech

same

record.

All

Dr.

right.

Kelly,

there were

PCBs

play

Understood.

what,

if

no worker

any,

part

claims

opinions

did

based

in

your

about

the

It

reinforced my opinion that

PCBs?

It

showed that

the material

24

electrical

field based on the

25

complaints

by our workers

R.

if

you

fine.

23

Kelly,

Mr.

stipulated.

be

McCREA:

knowledge

sides.

Davidson?

issue,

Counsel,

so

right.

19

A

to

question.

You don't

on

Mr.

an objection

the

will

following both

same

DAVIDSON:

14

17

been

question?

I'd ask,

note

McCREA:

MR.

the

please,

objection,

13

22

it,

ahead and answer

that

it's

an appropriate protocol

keep

DAVIDSON:

MR.

12

can't

speech on the

11

no meaning unless

data.

4

6

data has

can be

Emmet M.D.

used

safely

in

industry in

absence

and any ill

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

of

the

any claims

effects

or

found on

in FISHER

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1

our medical

examinations

2

on a periodic

Dr.

Q

4

director

5

any complaints

6

any other

Kelly,

of

the

your

Counsel,

again,

absolutely no

evidence

in this

of Monsanto

11

PCBs

12

lack of

13

medical protocol

14

It

15

meaningful

16

and Westinghouse

17

implemented a medical protocol,

18

adequacy of

19

and then

20

knowledge,

21

implemented,

22

Monsanto personnel,

23

Westinghouse.

24

MR.

were being

Kelly,

R.

to

determine

systemically

report

has

unless

Dr.

Kelly

and other

that medical

appropriate

if

I

Emmet M.D.

any

exposed

injured by PCBs,

that

customers,

the

a

information.

anything

General

in

that's

Electric

fact,

can describe

protocol,

the

there was

to present

knows

so

to

the

the

data

collected,

interpretation of

that

data.

base

that

General

DAVIDSON:

department

objection.

the workers

such medical protocols were

and

or

PCBs?

record that

no meaning unless

impossible

chloracne

same

implemented to produce

simply is

no

of

receive

Company implemented any

medical protocols

medical

done

the medical

from using

McCREA:

a

which was

department

or users

10

25

as

did the medical

from customers

customers

just

workers

years

claimed health effects

MR.

9

during

at Monsanto,

7

There's

these

level.

3

8

of

ever

All

on previous

ever

depositions

Electric personnel

I'm asking

receive

To my

is

of

and

did the

any

complaints.

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

in FISHER

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1

MR.

McCREA:

2

MR.

DAVIDSON:

3

about where

4

irrelevant.

they

I

came

And

MR.

McCREA:

6

MR.

DAVIDSON:

same

objection.

Make

8

all

the

you need to

9

MR.

McCREA:

the

fact

that

one

11

not

know,

and

if

12

are

adverse

13

cannot

Well,

I'm making

So

you've made

It's

on the

I'm making

cannot

you think

them.

the

It's

speech.

record.

one

the

That's

objection based

complain about what

does

not

health effects

MR.

being

16

17

care what

seek

to

one

determine

caused by PCBs,

on

does

if

there

obviously one

complain.

14

he's

don't

do.

10

15

I

from or how they got

5

7

understand.

DAVIDSON:

asked,

Well,

that's

not

the

question

so

MR.

McCREA:

MR.

DAVIDSON:

Counsel,

I

understand your

question

18

19

the

objection,

20

Kiser whenever

21

MR.

and you

McCREA:

Q

(By Mr.

23

period of

time

24

the medical

25

users

Kelly,

R.

customers

Emmet M.D.

The

objection

Dr.

the medical

department

record.

Just make

on

it

Judge

is

on the

to

to.

Davidson)

as

on the

can elaborate

you want

22

or

It's

ever

about

Kelly,

during

director

receive

chloracne

any

or

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

record.

your

at Monsanto,

did

complaints

from

any other

ill

in FISHER

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health effects

1

caused by PCBs?

2

A

In what

3

Q

In any uses.

4

A

Yes.

5

Q

And how many of

6

A

Less

than

7

Q

All

right.

8

minute,

9

ever

but

I'll

your

come back to

decades

any complaints

10

health effects

11

electrical

12

capacitors?

of

from customers

equipment,

such as

MR.

McCREA:

15

MR.

DAVIDSON:

16

MR.

McCREA:

14

those?

five.

during

receive

13

uses?

of

those

in a

employment,

chloracne

or users

or

Counsel,

do we

That’s

fine.

other

in the

transformers

did you

use

ill

in

or

show a

continuing

obj ection?

17

A

No,

sir,

18

Q

Did any of

19

received

you

20

approximately

21

long

a

24

A

Kelly,

R.

complaints

indicated

I

think

involve

McCREA:

continuing

MR.

25

those

five

MR.

have

did not.

that

there

you

are

any fatalities

or

serious

term health effects?

22

23

I

Thank you.

No,

Same

objection to

DAVIDSON:

the

this

record,

line

of

can

I

questioning?

Yes.

they did not.

Emmet M.D.

For

You have

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

two

questions

in FISHER

(2)

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1

there.

2

in

3

consider

4

there were

5

Q

6

one

the

7

There were

case

no

long

term effects.

some people were

that

serious.

no

long

Could

complaints

that

A

These

One was

hospitalized,

This

was

us

a

in

two

9

jury rigged temporary affair,

11

material

at

12

jaundice

and were

13

recovered.

14

reported the

15

developed a

Q

16

I

I

A

this

health department

20

he published

21

like

22

something

23

I

it

Kelly,

R.

where

and

of

it

I

transfer

the material

leaked,

hepatitis

like

but

who was

some

was

a

and three

from breathing

the

They developed

believe,

and

some

How did you

it was

the

state

I

head

of

of

had a

letter

either health

Indiana,

and

I

relatively obscure magazine,

the

Indiana Medical Association"

that,

and

I

other

Company,

and

or

think

of

Spolyar

Emmet M.D.

you had

in the

in

"Journal

The

Chemical

that

recall,

19

25

chemical

Spolyar,

called up

some examples

incident?

from a

24

Indiana,

hospitalized,

it

18

the

But

cases.

don't

Dr.

episode.

checked back with the physician who

take

I

could

with heat

elevated temperatures.

learn about

17

couple

dealt

agents.

people

you

an acute

so

that

you got?

8

10

believe

term effects.

you give

Yes.

I

don't

know how

asked him about

case was

who was

also

using

it

a

case

as

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

I

got

it,

or

but

the details.

of Crown

a heat

transfer

in FISHER

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1

agent,

2

upset

3

temporary condition that

4

them to watch out

5

functions

on them,

and they'd maybe

6

called me

back and

said

7

said,

8

are

9

called him two week

10

and their people

after

exposure,

"You're

doing

much the

for

I

The

13

written up

14

which had very mild

15

the

fourth

17

thermometers

in

18

early

in which you

19

bulb with this

20

by dipping

21

in

22

some

23

in

that,

and

24

get

some

sort

25

have

Kelly,

R.

liquid

chloracne

to put

those

I

hands

said,

case was

and he

and he

but

they

And

"They are

of

the

also

someplace,

I

fine.

cases.

a heat

which was

literature by a

Dr.

Meigs,

a

also

thermometer

that

That

filled

with

company

they made

was,

I

sort

of

oven

guess,

in the

like

onion

a

PCBs,

and they

filled it

and dipping

the whole

apparatus

up,

and they developed

in their workers.

And

I

was

went

and

I

said,

of

a

and

up

filling

to

forceps

your hands

Emmet M.D.

liver

abating."

two

told

jaundice,

jaundice,

third

days.

material,

1242

some

of weeks

are

case was

in New England

their

I

a

chloracne.

someplace

the

and he

in New England

16

'40's,

get

is

It was

recall

run

Those

in the medical

The

I

couple

jaundice

later,

remember

transfer agent

a

and gastric

situation.

And

They did get

now.

12

leaked.

in

They are back at work."

11

same

liver problems,

right.

fine

developed nausea

see

or

it

it,

a

in this?"

gadget

that

And they

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

interested

"Can't

you

you don't

said,

in FISHER

"Well,

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1

that's

2

care

a

of

good

idea."

Those

another

so

they did that

one

or

are

so,

5

Q

In your

6

you have

given us

7

they were

8

Monsanto

not

the

but

ones

I

I

remember.

can't

recall

investigation of

as

examples,

May have been

it.

these

incidents

did you determine

correctly following

MR.

McCREA:

10

based on hearsay.

11

Dr.

12

information that was

13

unknown.

Kelly to

14

I

answer

MR.

the

Counsel,

that

that

instructions

that

don't

that

Plaintiff would object

know how

communicated to

DAVIDSON:

Well,

I

or

two

of

16

and observed

the

situation himself.

17

and answer

18

A

What was

19

Q

The

20

these

21

people were

22

had given with

the

those

instances

not

Well,

it

individuals

in

at

described he went

But

let's

go

ahead

again?

you've

its

in

your

described,

following

the

investigation of

did you

instructions

find

that

the

that Monsanto

product?

23

A

24

following

it because

25

prolonged

skin

Emmet M.D.

relating

him by

he

for

question.

question was,

incidents

possible

disagree because

least

one

it's

question without

15

R.

took

had given them?

9

Kelly,

and that

that problem.

3

4

And

certainly

I

found out

they weren't

if we

say avoid

repeated or

contact

and you're

dipping

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

your hands

in FISHER

in

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1

the

stuff

2

you

say do

3

they

say,

"We've

4

the

people

have

5

days,"

6

statement

7

them.

8

Q

9

day,

that

not breathe

that

got

certainly violated that

it

this

hot

liquid dripping

it

for

the

the

other

out,

last

during

the

of Monsanto,

had a medical

11

A

Yes.

12

Q

And do

you

14

A

Dr.

Lyle

15

Q

Can you tell us

time

do

and

three

caution

that

you

If

and

caution recommendation that we

Kelly,

director

one.

elevated temperatures,

been breathing

that we

Westinghouse

13

at

certainly violates

Dr.

medical

10

all

you were

give

the

know whether

or

not

director?

know

Do

you remember who

that

was ?

16

his

A

18

1936.

19

residency,

20

was

21

went

22

meetings,

23

pillars

24

He

25

and quite

R.

Hazlett.

anything

about

Dr.

Hazlett

or

qualifications?

17

Kelly,

T.

Well,

Here

I

so

when

was

I

I

I

was

and

was

of

the

I

I

of

met

started going

out

in

of

around

even on a part

him there,

a pioneer

an authority on

Emmet M.D.

the business

After

time basis,

I

I

Industrial Medical Association

the business.

sort

new to

just practically just

attached to Monsanto,

around to

was

and he was

He was

in

it.

it,

on

one

of

the

in the

inside

circle.

He was

quite well

known

industrial medicine.

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

in FISHER

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1

Q

Do

2

subsequent

3

hygienists?

you

know whether

years

4

A

Yes,

5

Q

Do

6

A

One was

7

a

8

the

Ph.D.

I

was

last

name,

9

Q

To

10

knowledge

11

handling

remember

Henry

but

your

of

13

This

witness

14

Westinghouse

I

McCREA:

any of

or

in

know

them?

other

I'm not

of

the

one was

certain about

Speicher's

name.

have

toxicity and

is

To which plant?

not

capable

of

people

knew or

didn't

16

A

Yes,

17

Q

And how are

18

A

First

19

fact

20

occasions,

21

about

22

to

23

that

24

would

25

toxicological

R.

of

did Westinghouse

subject

Can you answer

Kelly,

time

industrial

and the

or

knowledge,

the

names

certainly

Q

safe

the

I

would object.

describing what

know.

question?

they did.

I've

of

Also,

industrial

explained

all,

I

was

to

determine

able

Hazlett

to

there was

hygiene

of

reports

our

a

it by the

number

knowledgeable

letters

department

toxicity of

reports

that?

determine

on quite

certainly seemed

fully the

copies

Emmet M.D.

you able

talked to

and he

PCBs.

send

the

Speicher,

15

the

employed

that

PCBs?

MR.

that

at

know that.

either Grant

about

12

Westinghouse

do

you

either

from our

to me

department

of Westinghouse

PCBs.

We

also

to Westinghouse,

to Westinghouse

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

of

on

PCBs.

in FISHER

the

And,

(2)

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1

finally,

2

was

3

Oettingen,

4

receive

a

I

understood

toxicological work

who

dated

5

MR.

file

7

documents

8

specific

9

never been

the

cross

references

situation to

have

Dr.

12

Westinghouse

needs

to

13

Q

14

department

15

with their workers

objects

ever

No,

answer

report

MR.

to

testimony

any of

these

and any

study,

as

which has

having been

simply an

impossible

for Westinghouse.

for Westinghouse.

you that

medical

they had any problems

exposed to

Objection.

PCBs?

Hearsay.

they did not.

McCREA:

Counsel,

19

interrupt

your

20

objection

on any reports

21

on the basis

that

22

protocol

implemented?

was

'30's.

to

of Westinghouse's

who were

McCREA:

sir,

It's

Kelly answering

Did any member

MR.

24

the

authenticated by Westinghouse

11

23

in

a von Oettingen

corporation.

there

von

lack of production of

to

received by that

18

Plaintiff

that

document was

examination purposes

10

A

'70's

carried on by Dr.

in Westinghouse's

based on hearsay,

16

in the

The

McCREA:

for

on

submitted this

6

17

later

questioning,

DAVIDSON:

MR.

McCREA:

don't want

can

I

have

with respect

there's

MR.

but

I

no

I

showing

thought

to

that

we

had

a

to

continuing

health problems

a medical

already done

that.

25

Kelly,

R.

Emmet M.D.

Well,

sometimes

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

it

gets

in FISHER

confusing

(2)

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when

1

you get

2

deep

MR.

3

Q

the

DAVIDSON:

(By Mr.

a

into

record.

Just make

Davidson)

little bit

4

just

5

literature beginning

6

medical

literature when you

7

like

to

show

you

8

ask you

some

questions

9

point

in

time,

10

the

exhibits,

11

kindly look

12

identify that

13

A

at

15

Dermatology and

Q

What

17

A

That's

1

21

A

It

describes

say it

this

24

Company who were

25

Swann Chemical.

R.

Emmet M.D.

items

in

of

front

of

you a

numbered,

so

if

1,

I'd like

to

and

at

this

stack of

you would

ask

an article by Dr.

in the

you to

Jones

and

"American Archives

and

it was

of

read

it published?

say.

What

The

does

date

33,

it

on the

but

I

do

front

not

of workers

chloracne,

from the

exposed to

a

said

see

describe?

an acneform dermatergoses,

describes

23

Kelly,

those

itself.

right.

treatment

some

article

All

Let's

exhibits

Volume

Q

I'd

some

1936,

20

22

is

hard to

in the

the

for us.

date was

in

reviewed the medical

look at

Syphilology,"

published

date

about

published

16

that

No.

you testified

came with Monsanto.

placed

exhibit

objections.

started reviewing

you

Exhibit No.

Alden that was

19

you

I

Kelly,

you've

and they are

14

it was

that

have

and

Exhibit

18

ago

Dr.

your

and

it

which

describes

Swann Chemical

chemical manufactured by

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

in FISHER

(2)

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Q

1

2

at

All

right.

some point

Do

A

Yes,

4

Q

And were

I

you

you referred to

6

purchased by Monsanto

the

7

A

That's

8

Q

And when

9

Chemical

Company?

10

A

1933

12

Q

Now,

13

Chemical

14

have

Is

same

in

the best

Company,

I

Q

And that

17

occurred?

18

A

That's

19

Q

And did you have

A

Yes,

I

22

Q

What

did

was

Kelly,

R.

Well,

Swann

I

think

exposed.

you

said

in

Swann

1935,

did you

the plant where

thisincident

occasion to

this

see

any of

the

study?

did.

What

the

scars

Emmet M.D.

the

of my recollection.

involved in

condition when you

There were

at

correct.

21

25

occur

did.

that were

A

incident

the plant?

16

24

1935?

believe

Yes,

I

Company

Company that was

after Monsanto purchased this

A

23

Swann Chemical

said these people were

occasion to visit

workers

the

Swann Chemical

did this

15

20

at Monsanto?

correct.

to

when he

career

article

did.

5

that's

Did you read this

early in your

3

11

you

wastheirsituation

or

saw them?

chloracne was

pretty well

from the pustules

where

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

Dr.

resolved.

Jones

in FISHER

had

(2)

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1

opened them.

2

symptoms.

3

crude

4

complaints,

5

in

Their

those

Q

6

But

liver

days,

no

Was

they were working.

They had

function tests,

were

normal.

no

which were pretty

They had no

symptoms.

there

a plant physician at

that plant when

you visited there?

7

A

Yes.

8

Q

And do

9

A

Dr.

10

first

11

Q

And did you talk to

12

A

Yes,

13

Q

What,

14

regard to

the

chloracne?

MR.

McCREA:

you remember

his

"Somebody" Martin.

don't

I

him about

recall

his

the

situation?

did.

if

any,

conclusions

Objection,

16

previous

objection with respect

17

protocol

was

18

Q

Go

19

A

Say it

20

protocol.

21

Q

22

health of

23

A

When

24

Q

Yes.

25

A

He

R.

I

name.

15

Kelly,

name?

had he

reached with

hearsay,

to

no

and also

showing

the

a medical

implemented.

ahead and answer,

What

over.

were

those

I

Dr.

workers

I

you would.

got mixed up

Martin's

that

had

on the medical

conclusions

about

the

chloracne?

saw them?

said they were

Emmet M.D.

if

fine,

they had

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

no problems,

in FISHER

(2)

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1

no medical problems.

2

clinical

3

tests

4

Q

Did you actually examine

5

A

No.

6

Q

Did you examine

7

A

Yes,

8

Q

And did you

9

the

examination.

on them,

I

He

had

run

some

in good

any of

form a

McCREA:

function

shape.

any of

the workers?

their medical

records?

conclusion yourself

Objection unless

about

the medical

are produced.

Go

13

A

Yes,

14

Q

And what was

your

15

A

Well,

are

ahead.

I

you're

did.

there

opinion?

two.

Are

all

aspect

17

cause

18

Q

Let's

take

19

A

Well,

whatever happened to

20

recovered

21

some

22

chloracne.

23

Q

24

until

25

any other

of

interested.

It

16

R.

liver

good

did.

Q

Kelly,

them a

saw theirfaces.

12

of

gave

outbreak?

MR.

records

examined them,

and they were

I

chloracne

10

11

He

you

depends

interested

which

in the

the

second.

from it with the

the

the

that

areas

where

After

that

time

you

chloracne

Emmet M.D.

time

I'll

exception

get

them,

of

to

that

next.

they had

the

scarring

of

they had pretty serious

that

you visited there

left Monsanto

reported at

in

1974,

was

there

the Anniston

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

and

in FISHER

at

ever

that

(2)

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plant?

1

2

A

No,

sir,

3

Q

All

right.

4

visited there

5

MR.

6

continuing

7

other

8

dermatological

9

was

the

McCREA:

11

chloracne

12

A

of

the

no

examinations

learn when

or

showing

not

of

chloracne

detect

chloracne.

the

Same

there was

any

any

for

learn about

you

outbreak?

hearsay.

to whether

There's

did you

did you

or

cause

that

of

there

the

outbreak?

I

Jones

learned

13

Dr.

14

research people

15

the

chloracne was

16

due

to

17

that was

18

this

19

the

20

products

21

caused

22

they were

using

23

different

color,

24

chloracne.

So

25

substitute

a

what

Objection,

objection as

What

not.

cause

anybody qualified to

Q

R.

Now,

about

chloracne.

10

Kelly,

there was

and

from both the written report

from my talk with the manufacturer

at

change

the Anniston plant

due

to

a

in benzene

used

suppliers

the product

usual Aroclor.

It was

different

chloracne,

a

supplier.

in the process

because

the product

that

was manufactured with

of

different

a

had different

color

and

supplier,

When

smart

and got

they went back

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

to

it

had

when

they had

dielectric properties,

finally got

than

dielectric

previously they had

different benzene

better

and

they believed

dielectric properties,

whereas

they

that

contaminant

substituted benzene was

Emmet M.D.

of

a

and no

rid of

the

in FISHER

the

old

(2)

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1

supplier,

2

epidemic

3

along with Dr.

4

plant,

5

supplier

6

Q

7

listed as

8

A

9

of

quality of

chloracne

that

Jones

that

Q

12

Alden got

13

place?

He makes

Does

Exhibit

I

16

we're

17

hundred miles

18

Dr.

19

Jones.

20

Q

in Anniston,

Martin

sent

Does

22

A

Oh,

23

Q

What

Kelly,

R.

the

secondary

representations

1

indicate

know

I mean,

which

them to

the

I

is,

incident

if

this

here

been

of what

he

think

the

1936.

Jones

in the

is

and

first

Somebody

in Atlanta,

90 miles

away or

sent

and

a

And obviously

sent

indicate

the patients

that

these men that were

certainly they treated

did

in

did.

he

what,

Jones,

article

actions

don't

why Drs.

away from Atlanta.

actually treating

A

convinced,

that's

sophisticated back

don't

them the patients.

25

was

article

that was

involved with this

Well,

further

in the

some

But

too

15

24

I

1?

it might be.

11

21

So

and along with everybody at

reported

Exhibit

Yes.

A

disappeared.

improved and the

of benzene.

investigation was

14

the Aroclor

something had happened from this

Is

thought

10

the

to

they were

affected?

them.

Swann take

to prevent

any

outbreaks?

Well,

Emmet M.D.

I

don't

know

except

changed the benzene

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

in FISHER

(2)

WATER PCB-SD0000047383

45
1

supplier.

They may have

2

know that.

3

Q

I'd like

4

Exhibit

No.

2.

5

you this.

6

understand the

ask

other

you to

things,

but

now at

or

look

But before we

get

to

Can you explain to

the

jury what

7

A

8

time.

9

Q

All

10

A

It was

I

to

done

substance

Yes.

I

can

don't

know

right.

a

Halowax

say what

if

it's

Yes.

I

that,

I

don't

turn to

let me

ask

you

to be?

thought

it was

at

that

still being manufactured.

What

you thought

it was.

compound manufactured by the

Bake

Lite

11

Corporation,

12

Carbide,

13

time,

14

chlorinated naphthalenes,

15

various

16

quadrachlornaphthalene,

pentachlornaphthalene,

various

17

naphthalene

compounds.

In one

they used

18

ten percent

of

19

called

20

Q

21

this.

22

A

which was

whatever

that was

subsidiary of Union Carbon and

name

of

composed

percentages,

a

the

It was

company was

a

series

which were

at

that

of

chlorinated to

trichlornaphthalene,

different

of

this

compound,

series,

which they had

chlorinated diphenyl.

Okay.

What was

I

know

23

for.

24

coating

25

or

rubber

R.

Emmet M.D.

Kelly,

the

a

It was

Before we

get

Halowax used

one

used as

of wire.

use.

I

a

to

In those

coating

ahead,

for?

don't

If

let me

you

ask you

know.

know what

it was

impregnate wire,

days,

they did not

on household wiring

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

used

the

have vinyl

and presumably

in FISHER

(2)

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1

industrial wiring.

2

covering,

3

it was

4

the

5

pull

6

on your hands,

7

a

up

9

and on that

was

old extension cords

on

some

of

You're

too

these wires,

and that

of what

was

you'd get

the

chlorinated naphthalene.

11

percent

12

diphenyl was

13

percent was

14

chlorinated diphenylbenzene.

of

a

compound

used.

That

a mixture

Okay.

and ask

of

I'd like

minute

you

17

chlorinated naphthalene

cases

In one

that

16

they

of

of

So

to

remember

if

you'd

brown

that

turned out

stuff

it was made

to

come back

some more

something

that went

21

A

didn't

24

naphthalene

ten

that

and

that

about

ten

in a

it,

than

but

is

PCBs?

Entirely different.

into

23

was

chlorinated

different

20

to

to

questions

And did Monsanto manufacture

nothing

series,

chlorinated diphenyl

Q

22

series

to be

19

No,

the

said was

Yes.

R.

this

the

A

Kelly,

but

ago

18

Q

Halowax.

Halowax.

10

25

fabric

chemical?

The majority of

Q

a

young

you would have,

And you testified a minute

A

15

cotton or

impregnated hot

sticky material.

Q

8

They had a

the

the

Halowax?

and they did not

chlorinate

do with naphthalene

either,

chlorinate

to

Now,

Emmet M.D.

naphthalene

it,

didn't

sell

a

it.

at

We

all,

had

and

chlorinated

anybody.

you were

telling us

a minute

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

ago,

and

in FISHER

(2)

I

WATER PCB-SD0000047385

47
1

want

to

get back

to

2

product

that was

included

3

Halowax

products.

Would

4

A

Would

5

Q

Yes,

6

A

Well,

7

people,

I

9

Q

Go

10

A

I

I

was

was

Halowaxes.

13

Halowaxes,

14

Monsanto product.

Q

As

I

I

product was.

A

of

of

those

biphenyl,

20

diphenylbenzene

21

60/40

22

diphenylbenzene

R.

but Monsanto

percent,

and

a whole

Lite

to

that

tell

to be

chlorinated to

a Monsanto

Yes.

of

series

there

the

of

of

a

that Monsanto

again?

you what

it was

chlorinated diphenyl,

stated this

that

that

contained ten percent

was

chlorinated

chlorinated diphenyl

attached to

Emmet M.D.

in one

with the majority being

there

Well

people

you testified what

I'll have

19

Kelly,

Bake

hearsay.

Lite

Could you tell me

reported by some people

Was

Bake

there was

18

A

again?

the

a Monsanto product

believe

Yes.

25

these

again?

Objection,

said,

and one

And

that was

of

you explain that

told by the

12

24

some Monsanto

ahead.

ten percent

Q

or more

told by Halowax,

McCREA:

was

23

in one

explain that

11

17

there was

please.

MR.

16

that

rather

8

15

that,

65

in roughly a

chlorinated

percent.

trade

name

designation

product?

It was

chlorinated

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

It was

in FISHER

(2)

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48
Aroclor

1

2

4465.

Q

You mentioned earlier

3

people who were

4

suffered health problems.

5

little bit?

6

A

Yes.

7

both

8

atrophy the

9

deaths,

exposed to

liver,

I

chloracne

and three

understood

deaths

11

that

had

that Monsanto product

Hearsay.

14

Q

All

not

McCREA:

right.

attending

a

16

Public

Health

1937.

I

A

Yes,

18

Q

And what was

19

A

The

20

Q

And were

21

about

22

persons

there

effects

to

24

Q

And did you

R.

the

reports,

were

compound

it.

Move

would

the

subject

of

discussions

there were.

did you

Emmet M.D.

other

But

to

strike.

ask you

Harvard

if

School

you

of

that

you

just

at

symposium?

of

Halowax.

that

told us

symposium

about

on

Halowax?

Yes,

Kelly,

a

yellow

death.

health effects

that

A

discussions,

the

subject was

exposed

I

on that

did.

23

25

Kelly,

symposium at

17

in

that

health problems

associated with the

Dr.

recall

in

of

Objection.

15

these

compounds

atrophy,

from the

the

MR.

were

it

to

cases

that

13

Halowax

some

Would you elaborate

10

12

there were

There were pretty serious

from very severe

as

the

that

Most

considerable.

learn how they

From those

learn how they became

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

exposed?

in FISHER

(2)

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49
A

1

Yes.

2

hands.

3

troughs,

4

Halowax was

5

the

They were pulling

They were

where

the

impregnating

wire went

melted and

MR.

7

the

8

"Journal

9

for

McCREA:

record that

of

themselves

through,

11

fully reported.

Q

were

Dr.

Plaintiff would

discussions

Hygiene

discussions

Kelly,

for

fabric

covering

simply note

to

the

for

in the

and

speak

the witness's

reason that

at

the

they're

symposium;

you not?

Yes,

15

Q

And you were present

discussions;

A

Yes.

18

Q

Do

came

I

was.

were

17

you

at

the

time

of

the

you not?

know how the

research by Dr.

Drinker

to be?

20

A

Yes.

21

Q

Would

22

A

The

23

had met,

24

to

25

Halowax

R.

hot

are published

you were present

A

Kelly,

gutters,

and Toxicology"

object

14

19

or

and the

soaked up by the

and would

description of

12

those

Industrial

10

16

tubes

with their

wire.

6

13

over

the wires

have

you explain that

Halowax

called me

an

The

in

St.

Louis

investigation of

done by Dr.

Emmet M.D.

Bake

Drinker.

the

to

us?

Lite president,

and

said,

"We

toxicological

It's

going

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

to

whom

are

I

going

aspects

of

cost X

in FISHER

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1

thousands

2

supplier

3

one

4

in

of

of

of

our

ours

of

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one

Halowaxes.

and help

5

dollars.

sponsor

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I

of

7

particular product

line

8

do?"

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9

Let's

find out what's

of

ours

11

Bake

12

did was

13

Lite

Q

14

I

sure.

all

Q

Did Monsanto

ever

research group

to

A

Yes.

20

Q

And did that

21

A

Yes.

22

Q

We'll

Dr.

A

well

25

Kelly,

R.

get

Drinker was

24

go

good

that

to

it.

customer

Halowax,

said we were

shared

of

ahead with

a

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expenses

you want

arrangements,

to

known person

employ or

do

the

and all we

going

to

do.

some

of

the

in

after

that

in

School

of

engage

any tests

come

with what

Harvard

Emmet M.D.

chipping

correct.

19

23

into

studies?

16

alone?

them."

the

do

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So Monsanto

That's

18

We'll

on.

keep

A

and his

the

"What

said,

pay them whatever we

right.

of

and

15

17

about

the management

to

made

for these

feel

talked to

going

got

people,

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funding

but

and we've

a

which goes

know the percentage

that we

10

You're

your Aroclors

How would you

6

said,

customer

this?"

don't

defrayed,

a

this

Dr.

Drinker

for Monsanto

symposium?

a minute

then.

And

organization?

Public

Health.

in toxicology and

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

He

was

a very

industrial medicine

in FISHER

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1

and

2

this man was

One

3

an M.D.

as

4

in

industrial

Q

5

as

well

Did Dr.

research at

this

hygiene.

was

I

Drinker present

the

results

7

Q

And you were present

8

A

Yes,

9

Q

Do

at

he

did.

recall

A

Yes,

12

Q

Can you give

not

14

asking

A

Well,

The

16

were people

17

organizations

18

York,

19

who

got

20

the

article.

21

head

I

Q

22

any other

us

list

a

individuals

few examples

every one

there was

Vossburgh was

from the

who were

state

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and talked was

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of

of

those?

there,

the

there.

head of GE.

organizations

and the

and Massachusetts

all

I'm

them from memory.

Von Oettingen was

in Connecticut

believe.

up

that presentation?

sir.

you to

15

for

symposium?

11

13

of his

was.

you

the

believe Cecil was

symposium you attended?

Yes,

present

and

Ph.D.

A

10

Drinkers,

but

6

I

two

Ph.D.,

a

a

There were

listed in

the

listed in this,

necessarily

include

though.

There

health

and New

Everybody

in the back

of

everyone who was

there?

23

A

Not

everybody talked,

24

Q

Was

there

25

Electric

at

Kelly,

R.

the

Emmet M.D.

any discussion or

symposium about

report by General

any of

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

its manufacturing

in FISHER

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1

operations

2

product?

3

A

that

Yes.

used the

I'd have

4

manufacturing people,

5

was

6

afflicted with

7

see.

Who

8

one

from GE

9

there.

10

Q

a Mr.

Kaimer,

some

Exhibit

12

Dr.

13

symposium?

14

A

Yes.

15

Q

Was

2.

Toxicology"

one

17

for Monsanto?

18

A

Yes,

19

Q

And do

20

copy of

21

shortly after

you recall

2

it was

23

Q

Can you describe

24

tests

25

A

Dr.

did

Emmet M.D.

a

Let's

the

only

know Vossburgh was

at

Deposition

that

reported

orally reported at

Industrial

Hygiene

the

and

that

you

subscribed to

receiving

the

exhibit

the

or

a

time

published?

Yes.

R.

few people

to be

in your publication at

A

Kelly,

of

journals

22

He

a

There

it was.

Exhibit

that

looking

that were

the

the

it.

"Journal

of

I

the publication

results

quite

seems

of

there.

There was

Kaimer

Halowax

Two

were

had

of Vossburgh.

that

the

16

said he

the

this.

remember,

You've been

Is

Drinker's

I

there?

that's

Okay.

11

as

Corp

look at

chloracne.

outside

guess

to

and he

else was

I

Halowax

Drinker

generally for us

the

types

of

ran and reported on?

inhalation tests,

and

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

I

think he

in FISHER

did

(2)

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1

some

feeding

tests,

and he

2

the

3

along with these various

Halowaxes.

4

provocative

did.

5

feeding mostly.

carbon tetrachloride,

test

that

I

don't

6

Q

7

published

8

A

Yes,

9

Q

And did his

10

Are

the

he

results

did a

which

combination test

is

a

known

sort

of

a

inhalation and

think he

did

of

tests

those

liver poison,

It was

It was

giving

skin absorption.

reported

in

that

article?

they are.

work

include

a

report

of work on

any Monsanto product?

11

A

Yes.

12

Q

And

13

product

14

A

15

diphenyl

16

Q

17

in

did he

He

Exhibit No.

report

that

reported that

chlorinated to

All

Exhibit

that

3

right.

and ask

if

group

in

February of

20

rats

that

received

21

chlorinated hydrocarbons.

Q

23

symposium?

24

A

25

Kelly,

Was

this

I'm not

is

chlorination.

ask you then to

exposed

a paper

sure.

probably

I

to

the

at

3

for me.

pathology of

certain

reported at

don't

said

recall

Pathology is

He

R.

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

Emmet M.D.

look

identify Exhibit

devoted to

were

so

chlorinated

an article published by Drinker's

1938

also

what Monsanto

had tested the

you will

19

This

paper,

had tested?

percent

Let me

A

22

he

65

18

Yes.

he

2

the

that.

something,

but

in FISHER

I

don't

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1

think he

went

into

2

Q

All

right.

3

"Journal

of

4

A

Yes.

5

Q

Do

6

time

or

you

And

shortly after

Oh, yes.

8

Q

Was the

Toxicology"

A

States

13

answer because

14

second of

15

so

that

It was

there's

papers

17

A

I

guess

pathology as

All

I

copy of

this

at

Hygiene

that

and

journal

in

the

the

it.

a

only one

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in the United

I

have

to

footnote

that

said this

read at

the

amend my

symposium,

last

is

so

and

the

so,

didn't pay as

right.

When

you use

referring

to?

Could

what

21

j ury?

22

A

23

anatomical

24

microscopically,

25

other words,

are we

I

Well,

it's

what

appearance,

if

Emmet M.D.

much attention to

should have.

20

R.

a

whole thing was readthere.

All right.

Kelly,

seeing

field?

dealt with

three

in the

and Toxicology"?

Industrial

Q

Q

published

"Journal of

16

19

also was

published?

yes.

12

18

this.

a widely read and distributed

Oh,

the

as

it was

occupational medicine

11

that

Hygiene

remember

A

10

much detail

Industrial

7

9

as

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either

of parts

you have

of

the

term

"pathology,"

you explain that

a

change

to

the

in the

normal

body.

In

grossly or

the

animal's

a pneumonia,

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

you have

in FISHER

changes

(2)

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1

in pneumonia

2

and also

3

under

4

Q

that

see what

Would

No.

2

6

report

happens

it be

of

Dr.

Well,

8

know what

the

9

But

that's

3

he

all

All

said

right.

Dr.

Drinker

12

relative

13

they reported

14

diphenyl?

15

A

Yes.

He

said

16

mind was

where

he

said

17

be

the most

19

symposium?

20

A

I

21

Q

Now,

Do

say then that

Exhibit

you

A

Oh,

I

2

didn't

have

R.

Emmet M.D.

I

don't

it

entire

point?

I

don't

know unless

what

The

3

as

thing that

conclusion

compound

did,

of

hearing

yes.

all

that

I

that

was

as

problems

to

those

and what

chlorinated

couple

of

in my

appears

to

tested.

conclusion at

recall

the

stood out

chlorinated diphenyl

doubted it

the

the

with respect

chlorinated diphenyl.

that

we

that

and Exhibit

you testified a

I

to

the

three papers.

Bennett was

recall

think

doubt

comprise

you recall

in Exhibit

reported was

to

to

chlorinated naphthalene

injurious

Q

Kelly,

and put

second of

and Dr.

toxicity of

18

25

slice

research up

Do

of

24

a

examination

there was.

11

come

you take

third paper was.

Q

23

on gross

together

Drinker's

A

he

if

correct

and Exhibit No.

7

22

noticed

a microscope.

5

10

can be

the

it.

times

that what

Did you

later

accurate?

soon as

that

I

heard

Halowax,

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

it because

that

in FISHER

GE were

(2)

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1

experiencing

2

says

3

something was

4

wrong.

5

Q

6

anything?

7

A

8

consider

that

from chlorinated

the

What

I

diphenyl was

the most

wrong

Either

here.

did you

as

toxic

9

MR.

McCREA:

10

MR.

DAVIDSON:

11

Q

Go

12
to

14

Dr.

Dr.

or he's

about

said,

thought

that,

"Look,

I

if

don't

as"

I

hearsay.

don't believe

that's

hearsay.

I

Well,

I don'tmind what

do mind what

Dr.

Drinker

he says

says

to

I said, "Look,

we

Kelly.

Q

Go

16

A

I

ahead.

called Dr.

17

don't believe

18

don't make

19

diphenyl,

20

you get

21

Halowax.

22

something.

23

percent."

24

send you

25

production

R.

I'm wrong

Objection,

McCREA:

Drinker.

15

Kelly,

I

I

ahead.

MR.

13

and

and when he

toxic,

subsequently do

called him up,

this

naphthalene,

a

that

Drinker,

this

compound,

that's

this

is

as

and

toxic,

an Aroclor

chlorinated to

compound?"

They said

He

it was

some

I

honest

line

Emmet M.D.

said,

to

that we

65

said,

"Well,

percent.

"I

know

is

we

got

Where

it

12

chlorinated to

65

run

stuff

it

did

from

Diphenyl

let's

goodness

anyway,

chlorinated

Chlorinated

Chlorinated diphenyl

And

or

and,

over.

right

or

I'll

off our

chlorinated diphenyl.

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

in FISHER

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We

don't make

1268.

a

1265.

We make

I

11

chlorine

in,

and

if

it's

chlorine

you had

in,

we

toxic."

So

it.

said,

send you the

he

said,

cost

you

"We'll

take

care

Q

And was

Monsanto

this

asked Dr.

1262,

1268

because

going

to be

would

"Fine.

It will

a

so much,"

of

the

Drinker

that's

toxic,

expect

Send

and we make

it

it

a

got more

the more

to be more

up,

and

whatever

I'll

it was.

repeat

I

it."

separate

to

do

research that

that

I

asked you about

earlier?

A

That's

Q

Did you ever

that

he

had

correct.

Not

that

any left

that

he

I

the

can recall.

sent back to

know that.

chlorinated to

was

the

product was

tested originally?

A

don't

determine what

But

65

only one

I

do

percent

that

us

know

it

we made

I

don't

know

if he

had

not.

I

to

analyze

or

that

if he

said

had to be

with

65

4465

as

it was

because

the

last

that

two

numbers.

Q

Now,

earlier

a Monsanto product

you told us

that

known as Aroclor

4465

4465;

referred to

is

that

correct?

Kelly,

R.

A

That's

Q

And that

A

Chlorinated

Emmet M.D.

correct.

product

consisted of what

Roughly

40

percent

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

chemicals?

chlorinated

in FISHER

(2

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1

diphenyl

and

60

2

Q

All

right.

3

this

4

to

additional

do

chlorinated

When

you

research,

diphenylbenzene.

engaged Dr.

what products

Drinker

did you

to

do

send him

research on?

5

A

I

6

Q

Which

7

A

A pure

8

percent

think we

is

sent

a

him 5460.

what?

A hundred percent

chlorinated

diphenylbenzene.

9

Q

All

right.

10

A

We

sent

him 1268,

11

say a pure production run

12

chlorinated to

13

4465,

I

believe,

14

MR.

15

and a

68

half.

is

DAVIDSON:

I'd like

and we

to

take

a break

Yes.

17

(Whereupon,

there was

Dr.

Kelly,

19

were

discussing

20

back

in the

21

Dr.

Drinker

22

suggested

23

the

24

25

late

or

that

R.

cable

A

No,

sir,

Emmet M.D.

else

Halowax was

and

MR.

Kelly,

anyone

what

I'd

sent

him some

about

an hour

a brief

took

Let me

at

the

too

at

this

point.

fine with me.

a

symposium that

1930's.

wire

It's

before we

the

probably

We've been going

THE WITNESS:

Q

a pure

a mixture.

16

18

is

chlorinated diphenyl

percent,

which

which

short break,

Dr.

ask

recess.)

Drinker

we

conducted

you whether

or

not

symposium ever

dangerous

to be

used

in

industry?

he

McCREA:

did not.

Can

I

have

a

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

continuing

in FISHER

objection

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to

1

hearsay?

2

MR.

3

Q

DAVIDSON:

Did anyone

4

any of

the

5

ever

6

diphenyl

7

A

statements

suggest

that

should

No,

8

on the

10

Plaintiff

objects

11

symposium.

12

Q

you

Yes.

15

Q

Who was

16

A

He was

18

on

industrial

Q

20

marked as

21

A

Yeah.

22

Q

Look

you

A

25

dated

R.

record;

to

in

as

chlorinated

electrical

industry?

I

think

otherwise,

I

better

get my

they

can be

lost.

any hearsay statements

a

Dr.

Schwartz

from the

being present

at

Service.

was

he?

with the

Public

He

to

ask

Exhibit No.

4.

had done

you to

I

Exhibit

identify that

for us.

is

September

Emmet M.D.

a

look

believe

another

This

Health

quite

He

a bit

of work

dermatology.

I'd like

can

24

Kelly,

the

Counsel,

senior dermatologist.

19

23

in

Drinker

the published materials

identifies

used

Dr.

symposium?

A

a

symposium or

any of

he

recall

14

17

what

McCREA:

objections

the

or

not be

9

Do

the

sir.

MR.

13

at

Sure.

No.

report by Dr.

15th,

1938.

It's

4

now at what's

that's

and

Drinker

a

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

this

I'll

been

next

up.

ask you

if

to Monsanto,

report

on the

in FISHER

(2)

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investigation on Aroclor

1

2

Q

And

is

3

reported

4

regard to what was

5

chlorinated diphenyl?

in what

6

A

That's

7

Q

And,

8

was

this

4465.

report

was marked as

A

that

data

Exhibit

time

as

2

with

a

correct.

once

again,

would you tell

Yes.

4465

is

composed

chlorinated diphenylbenzene

11

diphenyl.

In

12

diphenyl

in this

13

in

this

fact,

report

as

us

And that's

15

A

Yes.

16

Q

All

at

the

next

18

No.

5,

and

what

4465

19

A

20

Dr.

21

different

22

Q

It's

a

percent

this

He

as

chlorinated

chlorinated

refers

to Aroclor

4465

also.

if

ask you then to

which has

you

report

report

can

been

listed as

identify that

dated

September

to Monsanto

take

a

look

Exhibit

exhibit.

15th,

Company on

1938

by

several

compounds.

Was

it's

a

40

to

percent

an error.

Let me

exhibit,

Drinker,

time

right.

ask

60

an error?

That's

I

refers

of

chlorinated diphenyl

Q

17

he

and

particular

14

this

dated

in

report

A

That's

correct.

25

Q

And

this

is

Emmet M.D.

sent

September

24

R.

the

Deposition

identified at

10

Kelly,

for

composed of?

9

23

the basis

the

to

you at

or

about

the

1938?

report

Dr.

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

Drinker

submitted

in FISHER

on

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the

research that

A

That

Q

What were

this

The

compounds

going

correct.

the

first

substances

to be

used

something

Those

in

like

and

were

don't

two we

that people

phthalate,

I

separately funded by Monsanto?

that were

contained

in

report?

A

or

is

was

that.

A

No.

Q

Were

some

sort

thought

of

a

soft

the

they were

drink

Or

other

a plasticizer,

it was,

They were

that

Chlorinated

chlorcosane was

know what

Were

had

some

One was

Q

could dismiss.

operation

diphenyl

compound.

and the

other

but

they related

in

any way to

PCBs?

they related

in

any way to

the

naphthalene/halowax

one,

chlorinated

issue?

A

No.

Completely

Q

So which are

separate.

the

ones

that we're

concerned

with?

A

Chlorinated

chlorinated diphenyl

5460.

All

A

A pure

Q

R.

still

Q

percent

Kelly,

He's

got

right.

diphenyl

and

1268

and a mixture

of

chlorinated diphenylbenzene

that

one wrong,

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chlorinated

5460

is

When

too.

what

or was

what?

say

"pure,"

100

I

chlorinated diphenylbenzene.

Were Aroclor

Emmet M.D.

1268

and Aroclor

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

5460

the

in FISHER

two

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substances

2

research?

3

A

Yes.

4

Q

All

5,

that

what

you

sent

right.

5

No.

did

6

diphenyl

number

7

A

Well,

8

1268,

9

ventilation,

In

Dr.

to

Drinker

for

conclude

about

chlorinated

his

conclusion was

In

conclusion,

if handled with ordinary precautions

should be

entirely harmless

11

health.

12

stated that

even though he

13

of

rats

14

healthy throughout

15

uniform gain

16

of

17

not

1268

given

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the

the

the

1268?

cannot be

a

complete

preferable

had

absolutely

to

4465

and

the period.

in weight.

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as

clean bill

5460.

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of

he

also

concentration

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almost

said there was

the

to

to workmen.

increased the

no problems.

granularity of

liver

cells,

some

but

swelling

they were

progressive.

18

Q

19

Deposition

20

that

21

All

right.

Exhibit

for us,

A

was

23

Toxicology"

24

make

25

Observations

6

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published

it

I'd

like

you to

and tell me

if

look now at

you

can

identify

please.

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22

R.

Drinker

connection or based upon Exhibit

10

Kelly,

Dr.

is

in the

volume

out

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on

Emmet M.D.

the

an article by Dr.

"Journal

in May of

is

it?

of

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that

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nineteen thirty

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and

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Q

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reference

4

identification of

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to

the

5

A

Yes.

6

Q

And what

7

A

Well,

8

Hydrocarbons."

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include

in

chlorinated diphenyls

the

substance

did he

"The

as

this

paper

any

and to

his

prior

chlorinated diphenyl?

say?

sixth

compound has

been

listed

previously"

9

Q

Are

you

quoting

10

A

Yes.

11

Q

And on what page?

12

A

That

13

Q

All

right.

14

A

The

last

15

Q

All

right.

16

A

"The

sixth

is

page

158.

compound has

chlorinated diphenyl.

18

chlorine

19

Later

20

percent

21

chlorinated diphenyl,

22

second

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experiments

compound was

and which

almost

inquiry,

reality a mixture

were

a

24

in

25

chlorinated diphenylbenzene,

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13,

is

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to

percent

the

which

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surprise

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of

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68

labeled

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the

nontoxic.

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of

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chlorine,

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been

and proved very destructive

of

now?

paragraph.

as

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article

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17

23

from the

found that

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(frmr Mons Med Dir)

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6

was

and

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chlorinated

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4

opinion as

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Q

diphenyl.

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compound

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this

in

to

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the

the

body.

have

.

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7

misidentification

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chlorinated diphenyl

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no

9

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10

compound.

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he painted it

12

Oh,

Q

because

no.

All

13

acknowledged

14

the

15

take

1930's

got

some.

in his

1940's

A

Yes.

17

Q

And did the

1930's

19

was

and

'40's

and

some

safe

level

20

A

What

years?

21

Q

The

'30's

22

A

Yes.

I

23

Conference

24

a

25

which was

R.

do

Drinker's

the

Emmet M.D.

initially that

it's

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a

believe

an

it's

at

all?

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as

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to

you reviewed

in

to

you that

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the

there

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that

in

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know when

term used at

time

PCBs?

that

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that

prudent

demonstrate

at which

these

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if handling

'50's

and

of

did you at

literature

of Government

standard for

not

reversed his

toxic properties

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certain precautions

18

Dr.

toxic properties,

and

it's

first paper.

right.

16

Kelly,

of

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to

you testifying today,

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that

he

as

chlorinated diphenyl.

6

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information

toxicity because

toxicity of

right.

no

time,

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published

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or

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at

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if

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unusual

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that

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an

A

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17

Aroclor.

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did

18

Aroclor.

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he

19

attention

that

20

chloracne,

and

21

among

22

five

23

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you

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25

published

in

and

you

take

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7

us,

article

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define

of

and

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look

ask

you

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from

the

"Journal,"

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about

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by

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that

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you

for

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chemical

24

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to

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1954

could

described by

to

American Medical

April

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is

earlier

like

as

that

level.

literature

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identify

exposure

from

safe

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of

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a

exposure

believe,

14

with

by

11

to

out

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caused

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is

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the

A

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in

10

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the

reports

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a

at

right.

identifying

15

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coming

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working

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to

his

developed mild

cases

were

the

was

occurred

there

leakage

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article

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it

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(frmr Mons Med Dir)

in FISHER

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2

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3

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ask

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at

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cetera.

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17

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18

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20

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22

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24

my

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25

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me

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he

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times

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let's

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were

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ask

me

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stuff.

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samples

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some

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Uh

huh.

10

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said

he

didn't

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know,

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quite

time

it

11

contain

12

building.

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large

14

chlorinated

15

means

16

high boiling

17

what

18

system had

been

19

three

period.

20

article

21

after

22

conclusion

23

ultimately be

24

relationship

25

themselves."

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about

the

off

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but

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people

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chloracne.

9

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say

chlorine,

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said

suppliers.

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did

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he

got

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thing

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as

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looks

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also

our

on

were

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that

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it

safe

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so

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like

he

wrote

the

article

three

years

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also

cases

said,

hydrocarbons

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not

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

of

that

a

no

observations

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of

really don't

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there

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he

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the

acid A

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chlorinated

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hydrocarbons.

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should

in

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workers

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what

4

he

said

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you

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a

worker

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to

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to

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effect

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the

is

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us

that

to

middle

'50's

supposed

to

be

a

safe

to

hours

a

day

eight

years.

Q

Okay.

11

statement

that

12

health

13

why

14

other

15

months

16

read

17

of

18

Dr.

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department

the

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prior

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20

confused

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21

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your

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answer

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at

good

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of

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about

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chloracne."

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state

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any

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no

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or

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irrelevant

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thinking,

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he

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the

values

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the

17

A.M.A.,

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people

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their membership.

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and

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that

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to

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to

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point

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off

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as

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to

of

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me

chloracne

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to

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Yes,

we

did.

6

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to

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you

research

toxicological

A

Yes,

9

Q

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10

A

No,

sir.

11

Q

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12

those

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in

14

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16

toxicological

of

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tests

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18

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inhalation work

20

University

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tests

22

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in

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laboratories

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A

No,

Q

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studies

to

human beings?

directly.

did

you

rely

on

the

results

of

the

animal

studies ?

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A

organ.

of

the

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gave

relative

us

products.

Q

it

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number

of

animal

factors

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to

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dose

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R.

be

eyes.

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is

you

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by

testing

at

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over

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dissolved

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for

response

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period

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would

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into

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testing

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the

the

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to

to

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form

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us

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and

12

standard property

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activity.

14

Q

people

15

determining

16

in

the

the

use.

19

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gave

20

did

not

21

tests.

22

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except

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R.

to

50

shaved

determine

percent

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air

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that

means?

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by Monsanto?

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acute

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toxicologist.

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research

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exposure,

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toxicologists.

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primarily

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vapor

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pressure"

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1955,

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time

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these

papers

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see

what

he

says.

He

got

Aroclor

Louis.

Monsanto

would

have

provided

find

the

him

that

sample?

10

A

Yes.

11

Q

Okay.

chlorinated

12

13

And

A

He

did

read

it,

not,

and

15

identical

16

about

17

dibenzofurans,

18

Phenoclor,

which

19

don't

know

if

20

well,

be

21

from Aroclor.

Vos,

did

action?

A

Kelly,

R.

it

were

I

is

got

can

says.

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said

in

French,

and

it

Monsanto

Emmet M.D.

I'll

present

Italian

right

on

to

that

talking

fraction

what,

628

in

about

analytical

but

not

but

not

the

last

this

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

it,

it

from

which

is

I

in

in

that

paragraph.

publication

personnel

duplicate

find

there

the

Clophen,

1260?

the

chlorinated

here

page

to

he's

Aroclor

have

here

of

and

or

learned

tried

presence

Monsanto

compounds,

Monsanto

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the

I

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in

naphthalenes

that's

sure

When

24

and

chlorinated

Q

Dr.

25

what

chlorinated

23

he

dibenzofurans

14

22

did

take

but

we

in FISHER

by

any

didn't

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have

2

sophisticated

3

had

4

spectrometry

with

5

else,

was

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ordered

6

over

to

Jensen

and

Widmark.

7

you

just

8

Shack.

9

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we

10

it

in

11

as

I

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any.

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13

while

I

14

Q

the

it

by

it

see

time

don't

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got

it,

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they

I

not.

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they

were

using

mass

and

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knows

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and

there

let

Kelly

have

may

capture

pick

have

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had

me

Q

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the

it

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but

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to

of

look

of

to

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build

never

now

as

such

found

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at

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if

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products

any

knowledge

you

is

company

of

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shelf

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record

don't

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looking,

in

no

pretty

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off

found

ask

you

it

for

no

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17

found.

what's

37.

identify

tell

the

jury

of

meeting

what

is?

19

A

20

Executive

21

discuss

Q

Yes.

This

is

an

Committee

by

some

the

Monsanto

problem.

At

the

top

of

refers

Exhibit

37,

it

24

meeting

of

the

25

you

tell

abstract

Aroclor

23

R.

I

started

sir.

Kelly,

it.

we

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22

had

time

A

this

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some

16

18

is

dibenzofurans

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as

this

or

in

and

there.

was

mean,

electron

go

takes

any

I

stuff.

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but

marked

15

equipment.

us

to

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briefly

Emmet M.D.

the

what

exhibit,

this

as

the

Development

the

a

employees

the

minutes

the

to

page

of

Committee.

Corporate

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

first

with

of

the

Could

Development

in FISHER

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1

Committee

2

A

was?

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out

who

were

top

3

read

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of

the

committee.

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was

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the

6

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7

administration.

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9

Putzell

was

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10

counsel

for

the

company.

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chairman

of

the

board

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the

was

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was

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in

vice

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14

people,

the

15

Committee,

and

16

wore

same

17

know

18

Committee

19

Committee.

20

Q

The

how

meeting

21

they

All

for

both

divided

and

in

what

right.

they

are

17th,

'69.

Q

And

did

24

meeting?

25

A

Yes,

I

Emmet M.D.

you

as

what

these

23

was

attend

was

the

but

Committee.

president.

of

was

general

the

Ehlers

a

lawyer.

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were

same

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just

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don't

hats.

as

the

was

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company.

the

CEO

company,

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the

did

and

manufacturing.

vice

and

and

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of

different

which

November

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I'll

of

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committees

did

the

charge

directors,

what

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a

in

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wore

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of

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and

ran

company.

chairman

charge

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people

A

R.

two

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the

marketing,

of

the

charge

company.

were

22

Kelly,

of

VP

in

president

they

was

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was

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of

president

president

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of

Bock

was

charge

secretary

13

were.

brass

the

Executive

Development

the

date

of

the

minutes?

Were

you

present

at

that

was.

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

in FISHER

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1

Q

Why

2

A

Because

3

Q

All

right.

4

talkers,

what

was

being

5

A

Well,

we

were

6

the

7

we

were

problem was

needed

to

do

8

Q

All

9

briefing

or

10

effects

were

11

environmental

A

12

a

14

meeting

lasted

the

fourth

17

you

see

that?

18

A

983?

19

Q

Yes.

20

A

Yes.

21

Q

This

minutes.

23

document

24

A

way

Kelly,

R.

we

an

page

is,

you

this

Well,

were

it

it

going

Emmet M.D.

were

did

of

be

the

up

say

to

date

to

in

do

one

of

the

committee?

about

include

the

that

you

doing

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at

to

them

authority

on

it

the

at

what

and

what

future.

least

a

toxicological

point

in

time

and

this

problem?

tried

hour

or

a

to

tell

to

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so

these

has

appears

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we

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to

talkers.

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get

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presented

what

to

of

what

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22

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presence

of

the

one

statement

aspects

25

to

yes.

16

present?

was

and

known

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Q

I

right.

13

15

you

hit

all

the

facets,

all

meeting,

our

part

the

as

recall.

minutes

number

have

us

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what

appears

on

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of

it

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to

be

a

000983.

attached

to

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the

this

is,

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this

was

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scenario

attachment?

looks

to

like

present

it

this

to

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

the

You

in FISHER

for

the

know,

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when

2

a

3

in

4

millions

5

you've

6

it

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7

we

were

you

go

problem

the

before

you're

millions

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to

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costs

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well

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talking

of

the

going

Q

8

up

top

brass

about

in

that

are

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rehearsed,

to

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you

the

the

get

company

millions,

going

well

and

of

out

to

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come

the

rehearsed,

up

and

was

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present

the

business.

to

you

actually make

and

product,

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with

we

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scenario

any

part

of

part

of

it.

that

the

presentation?

9

A

10

11

see

12

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what's

Q

from

13

I

there.

you

recall

medical

14

A

I'm

15

Q

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sure

17

it

FIS

00981.

18

A

981?

19

Q

981.

It's

20

A

Yes,

sir.

21

Q

Down

at

the

second

A

Right.

24

Q

And

appear

Kelly,

R.

to

be

there

with

Wheeler

page

the

the

says

23

25

which

was

"Plan

Emmet M.D.

items

of

of

else

was.

the

second

bottom

following

12

of

anyone

Let's

you?

Let medirect yourattention

of

that

whether

Elmer

bottom

section

know

department

16

22

don't

down

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the

yes.

minutes.

page

of

that

page,

to

the

It's

got

on

thisexhibit.

there's

a

Action".

over

into

the

next

page,

under

this

plan

of

action.

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

in FISHER

there

Was

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this

2

at

plan

adopted

this

meeting

A

Let's

5

Q

Okay.

6

A

The

3

by

on

the

Corporate

November

go

down,

and

first

one

said,

Development

17th,

1969?

we'll

know

what

I

Committee

know

about

it.

4

7

to

be

responsible

8

Aroclor

pollution

9

Q

Do

10

A

That

11

Q

And

12

A

William

13

Q

And

14

A

Yes.

15

Q

All

16

A

Number

PCB

you

17

the

18

There

19

department,

20

widespread

know

was

who

do

22

effluents

23

that

24

R.

management

of

vendor

the

that

was

done?

that

position?

Papageorge.

you

know

January

approximately

the

1st,

when

he

began?

1970.

right.

been

two,

some

but

"Notify

That

Bill

bulletin

was

all

Aroclor

done

very

notification

by

Papageorge

sent

to

all

"Reduce

from Monsanto

our

and

customers

shortly

the

of

after.

marketing

sort

of

a

customers.

effectively

plants."

That

control

was

PCB

started

and

done.

effectively

Kelly,

project

done.

"Educate

25

overall

whether

assumed

Three,

21

the

a

problem."

problem."

had

was

for

"Appoint

control

Emmet M.D.

customers

PCB

on

the

effluents

at

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

needs

their

to

reduce

plants,"

in FISHER

and

that

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was done.
"Develop

2

3

for

Aroclor

4

don't

5

medical

know

1254

what

Six,

for

Aroclor

8

with

any

1260,"

I

that

really

was.

"Introduce

1254,

1260."

Seven,

"Continue

program with

11

Continue

Aroclor

That

was

that

was

That

about

wasn't

that.

in

I

the

market

don't

products

to

replacement

know

that

expand

if

they

they

products

came

could

up

use.

biodegradation

especially

42,

48

and

54."

toxicological

test

program,"

that

"Determine

17

examining

18

Aroclors

of

42

and

20

they

were

21

this

material

22

After

48."

25

can't

test

program,"

of

Well,

comment

Emmet M.D.

cost

and

six

chlorines

incineration

products."

as

said,

that

on

the

impression

started

it

five

and

my

back,

they

Then

offer."

It's

incinerating

1970

24

analytical

feasibility

eliminating

"Study

19

23

present

done.

16

R.

know

systems

done.

"Accelerate

Kelly,

packaging

done.

14

15

don't

series,

was

"Continue

12

to

I

new

10

new

purview.

product

9

13

implement

and

department's

6

7

and

this

you

stuff.

saw

in

getting

"Develop

would

be

out

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some

it

of

they

did

Well,

I

started

these

in

that.

knew

getting

labels.

back.

business

of

my

plan

to

bailiwick.

I

that.

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

in FISHER

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1

Q

Okay.

2

there

3

department

4

A

5

occurring

6

department's

7

completely

outside

8

Q

you

9

appointing

would

within

the

that

accurate?

Well,

a

number

would

not,

but

I

knew

they

they

touched

on

some

of

the

some

of

because

activities.

a

my

understand

project

for

He

was

the

decision

making

process,

15

its

16

environment ?

during

a

thought

19

consensus

that

20

about

the

peregrine

21

else.

We

22

we

23

fact,

24

this

25

handle

I

didn't

help

Bock,

problem,

got

was

it.

the

we'll

And

to

we

man

for

of

mean,

And

we

and

the

time

of

the

didn't

the

overall

whole

and

trying

in

to

of

this

protect

harm

Monsanto

felt

to

the

always

The

us

cared

as

much

bald

eagle

as

anybody

contaminate

president,

him

regardless

all

of

program?

I

that

falcon

give

Monsanto

not.

was

want

medical

them were

purpose

this

period

neighbor.

anymore.

Emmet M.D.

to

period

Certainly

good

was

point

this

this

18

R.

as

the

implementing

14

No.

that

manager

During

profits

But

were

scope.

Okay.

Kelly,

medical

is

Q

it

the

listed

not;

13

Ed

of

you

would

problem.

could

purview

that

number

Yes.

A

things

a

12

17

the

and

Did

A

11

of

fall

responsibility

10

Several

the

want

said,

to

"If

environment

do

we

quit

making

the

stuff.

We'll

stop

it."

And

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

it.

And,

can't

nip

We

that's

in FISHER

if

in

won't

what

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happened.
MR.

2

3

questions

4

we'll

go

DAVIDSON:

I

have

off

the

5

on

I

think

direct

that's

all

the

examination,

Dr.

Kelly,

and

record.

(Whereupon,

there

was

an

off

the

record

to

10:00

a.m.

discussion.)

6

(Deposition

7

April

8

1,

recessed

on

1994.)

9

10

was

THE

REPORTER:

THE

WITNESS:

Doctor,

you're

still

under

oath.

11

12

Yes.

CROSS

BY

MR.

QUESTIONS

14

Q

Good

morning,

Dr.

15

A

Good

morning,

sir.

16

Q

My

McCREA:

name

is

David

18

Deceased.

I'd

like

to

ask

19

PCBs.

you

give

us

a

20

A

Yes.

21

contains

two

22

the

23

substituted

Q

25

Kelly,

Do

A

of

the

McCrea.

Fisher,

24

Executrix

Kelly.

17

PCB

benzene

hydrogen

atoms

with

of

is

Estate

you

brief

a

rings,

the

chlorine

the

R.

Emmet M.D.

I

of

a

of

questions

of

compound

which

Carolyn

Fisher,

description

benzene

to

represent

Ralph

few

chemical

polychlorinated

in

you.

EXAMINATION

13

Can

Thank

the

rings

about

a

PCB?

that

hydrocarbons

have

various

degrees.

biphenyls

appear

been

naturally

environment?

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

in FISHER

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1

A

Not that I

2

Q

Are

3

chemical?

4

A

To

the

5

Q

Did

Monsanto

polychlorinated

best

polychlorinated

6

7

A

Yes.

8

Q

From

9

Monsanto

the

10

States?

A

Yes.

12

Q

Do

pounds

of

1935

you

PCBs

14

A

I

15

Q

If

17

figure

sound

to

could

A

It

19

Q

Where

United

A

21

our

22

In

A

25

Kelly,

R.

made

of

call

PCBs?

ceased

in

1977,

United

PCBs

in

the

hundreds

of

millions

manufactured

I

indicated

pounds

from

do

that

of

1935

not

to

was

of

1977?

know.

Monsanto

PCBs,

would

that

correct?

be.

did

man

yes.

we

speculating.

be

East

Still,

Monsanto

what

PCBs

From

Emmet M.D.

St.

In

Alabama

During

manufacture

24

what

many

billion

a

I

would

be

manufacture

speculating.

PCBs

in

the

States?

Anniston,

Q

23

or

then

manufacture

production

how

information

1.4

knowledge,

manufacturer

be

manufactured

biphenyls

Company

Monsanto

would

18

my

until

know

16

20

of

biphenyls

sole

11

13

know of.

in

1935

our

East

St.

Louis

plant

and

plant.

time

period

Anniston,

until

19

did

Monsanto

Alabama?

I'm

not

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

sure

when

in FISHER

they

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1

ceased

there,

2

middle

'70's.

Q

3

For

A

5

but

6

PCBs

I'm

it

was

I

what

manufacture

4

but

time

in

not

Q

Is

that

8

A

That's

10

Q

Is

11

A

Yes.

12

Q

Is

it

period

East

sure

several

7

thought

St.

of

was

did

around

the

Monsanto

'70's,

the

Company

Louis?

that.

It

was

a

shorter

time,

decades.

the

Krummerich

correct.

Plant?

That's

the

present

name

for

it.

9

Sauget,

13

it

that

in

A

Yes.

15

Q

Did

location

you

ever

plant

A

No,

sir,

I

18

Q

Did

you

ever

19

plant

20

A

did

Q

22

of

23

a

A

25

rings

R.

East

No,

not

sir,

have

Dr.

a

referred

to

as

some

Emmet M.D.

office

in

the

Alabama?

did not.

have

or

an

did not.

can

office

location

at

the

Sauget,Illinois?

permanent

Kelly,

Yes.

with

I

an

Anniston,

St. Louis

chlorinated

24

Kelly,

in

have

at

17

I

sometimes

Yes.

manufacturing

21

existence?

Illinois?

14

16

still

Iused

office

you

offices

there,

but

there.

give

us

a

brief

That

consists

description

furan?

That

is

a

substitution

of

chlorine

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

of

two

for

some

in FISHER

benzene

of

the

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1

hydrogens,

2

atoms

3

carbon

and

and

a

there

bond

atoms

is

an

and

the

Q

Does

5

A

Structurally,

except

it

7

it

look

8

entirely

9

Q

may

has

a

oxygen

you

is

connection

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world,

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than

the

level

24

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25

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Dr.

Kelly,

R.

two

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of

of

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PCBs

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to

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Dr.

Kelly,

15

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17

purchased

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20

others,

21

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22

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4

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DAVIDSON:

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22

A

I'm

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23

Q

You

know,

24

coat

the

25

milk

cows?

Kelly,

R.

inside

Emmet M.D.

certain.

of

of

silos

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stored

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

silage

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eaten

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Yes.

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Q

You

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used

on

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4

contaminated

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Yes.

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6

Q

Dr.

Kelly,

7

to

anyone

8

milk?

9

A

that

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off

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11

the

fermenting

12

remove

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we

14

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15

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Beg

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16

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When

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18

immediately

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with

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21

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some

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(frmr Mons Med Dir)

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the problem also.

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state

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milk.

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was

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warning?

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saw

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9

Q

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11

1970,

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20

25

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were brought to Mr.
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know.

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MR.

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MR.

DAVIDSON:

MR.

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milk

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to

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13

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Kelly,

R.

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considered

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Q

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4

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7

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9

A

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10

Q

Dr.

Kelly,

11

functions

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12

which

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with

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19

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Yes,

20

Q

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23

Q

Dr.

Kelly,

24

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25

that

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customers

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Kelly,

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warnings

furans,

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

be

it

to

a

you

your

contaminant

in FISHER

(2)

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1

of PCBs or a byproduct of burning PCBs?

2

A

No,

sir,

3

Q

When

did

4

I

did

you

not.

first

know

about

chlorinated

furan?

A

5

6

I

had

7

'60's.

Sometime

anecdotal

I

Q

8

9

before

the

know

had

late

To

the

A

11

products

you're

12

Q

Correct.

13

A

That's

14

Q

Dr.

that

were

17

workers

exposed

heard

of

best

on

to

my

June

12,

1970.

the

late

were.

chlorinated

difuran

In

Monsanto

put

I

20

Q

Yes

(nodded).

21

A

No,

I

22

Q

What

was

was

recollection.

1956

chlorinated

DAVIDSON:

Was

for

were

you

furans

cases

of

put

and

on

dioxins,

chloracne

in

on

Objection.

notice?

not

the

put

job

on

of

notice.

Elmer

P.

Wheeler

on

June

1956?

24

A

He

was

25

Q

And

I

R.

'60's

in

in

PCBs?

A

Kelly,

sometime

recollection.

of

responsible

19

12,

the

about

my

impurities,

MR.

23

late

it

it

Yes.

Kelly,

probably

about

about

talking about?

the

16

18

not

best

notice

how

definitely

1960's?

10

15

knew

knowledge

don't

You

I

Emmet M.D.

a

member

believe

on

of

the

direct

medical

you

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

department.

said

you

had

in FISHER

seen

(2)

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1

his signature hundreds of times?

2

A

Yes.

(Reporter

3

4

Q

has

5

Dr.

marked

6

marked

Kelly,

as

I

Exhibit

MR.

Plaintiff's

hand

you

what

the

look

at

May

I

7

A

Yes,

sir.

8

Q

What

is

9

A

June

12th,

10

Q

Who

11

A

Elmer

12

Q

Do

13

A

Yes.

14

Q

Is

that

his

signature?

15

A

That's

his

initials,

16

Q

To

whom

was

the

document

17

A

To

me.

18

Q

Dr.

Kelly,

did

you

19

A

Yes,

20

Q

On

P.

you

I

those

thedocument?

author

of the

his

document?

signature?

yes.

sent?

receive

23

A

That's

24

Q

Another

25

correct?

examination,

polychlorinated

was

Emmet M.D.

of

that?

this

document?

did.

22

R.

date

recognize

were

names

reporter

Wheeler.

direct

for

court

1956.

the

21

Kelly,

used

is

2.)

2.

DAVIDSON:

the

Exhibit

chlorinated

you

described

biphenyls

diphenyl;

is

or

names

PCBs.

that

that

One

of

correct?

correct.

name

was

chlorinated

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

biphenyl;

is

in FISHER

(2)

that

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1

A

Yes.

2

Q

On

3

paragraph,

4

A

In

5

Q

No.

6

two,

Dr.

page

do

two

you

the

at

see

text?

In

the

bottom

At

bottom

chlorinated

the

of

first

biphenyl

bottom

of

the

on

in

page

paragraph

one

the

text?

two?

on

page

Kelly.

7

A

Yes.

8

Q

Is

9

biphenyls ?

10

A

That's correct.

11

Q

Do

12

A

Yes,

I do.

13

Q

When

is

14

the

that

one

and

you recall

the

same

as

polychlorinated

thismemorandum,

the

last

in

the

time

that

Dr.

you

Kelly?

reviewed

this

memorandum?

A

15

Probably

deposition,

16

Q

17

This

18

not,

19

event

20

Virginia

21

A

an

that

23

to

24

relevance

25

Mrs.

R.

this

that

took

in

the

took

place

1949;

is

place

Monsanto's

that

correct?

MR.

Mr.

DAVIDSON:

to

Fisher,

the

in

Emmet M.D.

of

claims

this

me

two

and

in

I'm

going

to

as

the

again

asserted

the

to

1953

it

Nitro,

an

West

say

McCrea,

and

in

does

plant

questioning

case

last

events,

Germany

at

Let

line

in

my

deposition.

discusses

That's correct.

entire

before

discovery

memorandum

event

22

Kelly,

before

last

by

the

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

to

object

Plaintiff,

relevance

in FISHER

of

any

of

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this

line

of

2

obj ection.

MR.

McCREA:

Yes.

This

3

A

4

these

questioning.

5

of

6

Trichlorophenol

7

nothing

8

Q

9

involved

instances

at

all

All

impurities

10

were

a

do

in

had

it;

13

MR.

McCREA:

14

MR.

DAVIDSON:

MR.

McCREA:

a

material

of

the

with

Both

chemicals.

2,4,5

Kelly,

do

continuing

instances.

agricultural

to

didn't

me

two

nothing

What

15

these

Dr.

about?

talking

to

And,

DAVIDSON:

12

will.

dielectrics.

MR.

11

give

I

with

raw

you

with

right.

which

Yes,

refers

was

to

If

T,

had

chemical

dielectrics

had

it?

Objection.

What

are

you

the

United

chemical?

The

2,4,5

In

T.

Germany

or

in

States?

16

In

17

A

Say

your

question

18

Q

The

chemical

19

Virginia

had

impurities.

20

A

Yes.

21

Q

Those

impurities

22

individuals

can

23

dioxins;

is

that

not

24

A

No,

it

isn't

a

25

Kelly,

R.

position

to

Emmet M.D.

that

do

as

Nitro,

over

West

Virginia.

again.

was

being

used

at

Nitro,

are

identified

as

best

chlorinated

furans

and

West

these

chlorinated

correct?

identify

correct,

because

chlorinated

they

dioxins

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

were

not

in

or

in FISHER

(2)

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1

chlorinated

2

They

3

their

4

I

5

no

reports

6

or

chlorinated

7

the

did

benzofurans

not

They

analytical

don't

know

the

Dr.

page

one?

10

A

Yes,

sir.

11

Q

That

makes

12

that

Kelly,

A

Yes,

14

Q

And

15

impurities

16

systemic

know

how

good

find

but

they

did

not

looked

or

not,

but

there

of

or

chlorinated

was

dibenzofurans

chlorinated

or

dioxin

in

would

you

reference

look

to

at

the

isolated

last

paragraph

impurities;

is

sir.

the

and

MR.

focus

which

health

17

effects;

DAVIDSON:

what

whether

this

19

Germany

and

product

20

product

the

or

21

Q

The

22

determine,

23

in

at

a

A,

is

the

of

is

point

time

the

was

on

the

chloracne

and

correct?

object

talking

being

in

caused

that

I'll

Monsanto

thrust

this

impurities

18

unless

about

the

you

clarify

incident

manufactured

there

in

or

the

Nitro

and

product.

the

investigation

similarity

of

the

was

events

to

at

Germany.

24

A

Whose

25

Q

The

R.

don't

correct?

13

Kelly,

I

chemical.

was,

presence

Q

on

not

they

diphenyl

agricultural

product.

8

9

did

our

expertise

whether

of

in

investigation?

investigation

Emmet M.D.

by

Mr.

H.

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

K.

Nason.

in FISHER

Do

you

(2)

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1

know him?

2

A

Yes,

I

do

know

3

Q

Mr.

R.

E.

S

4

A

Yes,

I

5

Q

Mr.

L.

C.

6

A

Yes .

7

Q

Dr.

R.

Emmet

8

A

I

9

Q

Dr.

10

A

I

11

Q

BASF

12

A

I

13

Q

When?

14

A

I

15

the

16

here

17

believe

H.

I

I

Dr.

19

A

I

20

Q

A.

21

A

I

22

Q

W.

23

A

I

24

Q

Elmer

25

A

I

Kelly,

R.

H.

did

St.

know.

I

E

know

you

him?

M.D.?

not

T

E

L,

M.D. ?

Louis

met

He

did

him

was

here

him

him

in

1956.

know

him?

F

in

He

came

'56

and

either

M

A

over

he

time,

but

in FISHER

(2)

N

was

I

N?

him.

PALM,

know

HO

meet

once.

met

Hofmann,

you

once.

have

met

T.

not

T

Where

twice.

could

Palm,

did

0

in

probably

Q

do

once.

him

States

18

Kelly,

Germany.

don' t

'60.

N,

him.

Oettel,

in

met

E

Weger?

him

met

D

him.

know

United

in

know

0

him.

Ph.D.?

him.

SOENKSEN?

did

knew

Emmet M.D.

not

P.

know

him.

Wheeler?

him.

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

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Q

Don

A

Yes,

Q

J.

A

Where

seems

like

were

only

know

who

Q

Irish,

I

P.

Dow

knew

Chemical?

him.

Purnell?

are

Irish

these

you

was

getting

not

four

these

present

people

from

at

names?

the

I

mean,

meeting.

Germany,

and

I

it

There

don't

else.

Dr.

R.

R.

Suskind,

Kettering

Laboratory,

Cincinnati?

A

this

Yes.

'56

Q

He

meeting

Now,

investigate

Yes.

Q

Did

A

Yes.

Q

Did

or

Dr.

its

A

was

I

was

he

Kelly,

Nitro,

don't

know

whether

'60

meeting.

Monsanto

Company

at

did

West

the

Virginia

he

was

at

incident?

that

incident

cause

chloracne?

that

incident

cause

systemic

health

effects ?

A

Yes.

Q

Did

fatigue,

those

systemic

health

vertigo,

painful

joints,

A

I

at

time

Q

Would

do

not

this

effects

loss

know

of

include

libido?

whether

they

did

or

not.

two

Kelly,

R.

on

the

you

first

Emmet M.D.

read

page

of

the

last

Exhibit

sentence

of

paragraph

2?

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

in FISHER

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A

Yes.

2

Q

States,

manifestations,

3

4

A

Yes.

5

Q

"

experienced

7

of

libido,

A

I

whether

9

in

their

men,"

all

et

do

read

I

Wheeler,

person,

that

who

12

sick.

13

the

Kettering

Laboratory

14

the

people

there.

15

peripheral

16

Q

17

which

are

18

1955

except

19

and

not

know

not

up

was

Mr.

as

Wheeler

symptoms

his

reports

loss

of

as

vertigo,

loss

cetera.

department,

our

in

that

men

We

had

described

were

fatigue,

not

last

were

sent

hospital

well

symptoms

in

that.

They

correct?

I'm

These

denying

BASF;

here.

correct

that.

neuritis

was

skin

additional

joints,"

just

to

four

be

the

loss

by

was

not

sentence.

They

of

I

were

them

up

investigated

problems.

as

certain

They

to

by

had

chloracne.

of

the

libido

and

Anniston

libido,

loss

fatigue,

worker

of

in

appetite

lassitude.

20

A

Yes,

21

Q

So

those

two

22

similar;

are

they

not?

23

A

Yes,

24

Q

And

25

addition

to

R.

the

painful

11

Kelly,

meaning

i.e.,

a

I'm

the

workers;

10

do

to

our

Mr.

medical

addition

reported

6

8

"In

sir.

they

did

the

Emmet M.D.

Those

symptoms

are

somewhat

are.

you

conclude,

chloracne

there

Dr.

Kelly,

were

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

that

systemic

in

health

in FISHER

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effects

suffered

2

exposed

to

A

First

4

These

5

occurred

6

off

7

definition

8

was

9

what

10

the

11

dibenzofurans

12

our

13

find

14

answer

people

a

by

gunk,

in

to

the

in

the

or

not

We

they

never

I

at

that

were

were

some

things.

by

what

that

we

scraped

amenable

qualitative

and

who

Nitro?

define

was

material.

it

at

residue

any

if

Nitro

residue

found

expertise

did,

the

walls

gunk,

never

to

The

material.

We

it

your

and

in

chemical

have

explosion.

the

analytical

if

we

exposed

charred

material.

it

the

analytical

a

workers

in

all,

were

ceilings

to

chemistry.

could

found

not

any

It

determine

dioxin

in

chlorinated

do

not

time

know

was

there.

So

whether

sufficient

does

to

that

question?

MR.

15

16

of

during

was

these

impurities

3

the

by

McCREA:

Would

you

read

the

question

back,

please?

17

(Reporter

18

A

19

impurities

were

20

explosion.

I

21

Q

22

conclude,

Dr.

23

chloracne

suffered

24

A

Yes.

25

Q

But

Kelly,

R.

Except

All

that

in

do

not

Emmet M.D.

I

not

do

as

requested.)

know

chemicals

whether

or

were

the

formed

in

the

know.

But

Kelly,

in

back

the

right.

I

read

that

my

these

systemic

believe

addition

question

workers

health

chloracne

to

is

did

in

you

addition

to

effects?

is

a

systemic

effect.

chloracne?

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

in FISHER

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1

A

Yes.

2

Q

And

3

suffered

4

A

5

well

have

Q

7

A

8

symptom.

9

that

in

11

of

my

conclude

No,

I

do

not

I

do

not

that.

I

do

you

disagree

say

the

that

that

things

at

with

the

present

joints.

I

knew

that.

16

vertigo

or

loss

of

libido

17

recall

that

at

this

time.

to

errors

Dr.

investigating

24

Wheeler

A

Kelly,

R.

to

it,

Kelly,

these

Elmer

of

they

may

very

vertigo?

prominent

not

time

recollect

do

They

I

know.

do

not

know

was

I

a

them

I

Wheeler

Wheeler,

if

prominent

not

able

to

in

this

memoranda

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in

23

25

you

Those

Q

22

that

you're

communicated

some

they

Elmer

received?

15

So

what

you

Some

21

that

suffered

believe

wrote

A

they

a

person

20

that

was

14

19

recollection,

that

some

Q

Kelly,

think

13

18

Dr.

prominent.

memorandum

I

of

best

you

So

A

conclude,

had.

being

the

12

the

Did

Q

10

you

fatigue?

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6

did

say

particular

if

writes

not

know

if

nonmedical

had

the

or

symptom

not.

this

is

painful

I

of

don't

information

accurate?

sentence,

there

may

be

yes.

how

much

health

time

did

problems

you

devote

described

by

to

Elmer

you?

Weeks.

Emmet M.D.

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

in FISHER

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1

Q

Do you have a file on it?

2

A

I

3

people

4

we

my

that

them

Q

Dr.

told

to

8

Q

My

9

A

I

10

Q

All

listen

is

question

myself

to

do

right.

the

the

most

Kettering

foremost

seriously

Laboratory

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me,

the

affected,

hospital.

but

that's

not

All

right.

13

Q

Did

you

14

A

It

had

a

file

that

All

right.

17

A

And

there

18

Department

19

Q

20

paragraph,

21

potent

22

chlorinated

that

Okay.

it

I'm

not

a

file

what

you

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was

that.

Now,

Dr.

states,

Q

Can

have

a

a

file,

If

you

document

Emmet M.D.

at

file?

no.

you

could

just

try

to

authored

us

a

file.

Yes,

in

the

on

Central

we

page

two

Medical

in

the

believes

that

compound

somewhat

similar

what

by

by

Oettel

oxide,"

tell

time?

explosion".

Kelly,

a

one

mean

file

"Dr.

is

diphenyl

24

a

had

chloracnogen

Yes.

you

have

said

Q

A

do

not

have

16

this

is

Fine.

depends

23

question?

question.

A

R.

the

really

your

12

Kelly,

sent

question.

What

25

we

were

the

Kelly,

A

15

you

thought

up

7

11

I

we

sent

5

6

did.

and

then

there's

chemical

Elmer

P.

is

Wheeler

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

a

first

the

most

to

diagram.

diagrammed

from

in FISHER

in

your

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1

medical department?

2

A

Yes.

3

Q

What

4

A

That's

5

Q

Dr.

6

probably

with

7

Do

you

8

A

9

don't

10

Q

know

chemical

the

he

you

whether

or

12

causing

these

13

1949?

14

A

not

You

say

that

is

what

11

look

17

of

chloracne.

18

sitting

19

up.

I

20

this

charred

21

It

22

analysis.

23

Q

A

25

Kelly,

R.

any

by

at

down

on

didn't

just

All

You

a

do

gunk

not

in

"but

the

molecules".

did

I

Oettel's,

to

the

and

to

I

were

do

that

it,

was

the

in

culprit

the

The

I

had

in

workers

in

When

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18

Q

any

that's

in

tell

our

the

I

the

that

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the

no

left

this

date

testing

afterwards,

23

Q

And

you

R.

of

in

our

all

if

matter

they

wouldn't

got

the

these

in

our

in

get

any

transformer

troubles

company.

very

extensive

date?

undertook

certain

with

Emmet M.D.

business,

had

had

No

nobody

yes.

Oh,

Kelly,

that

correct?

A

at

they

IBT;

22

particularly

they

at

1956.

25

If

undertook

Q

know

it

it

or

we

we

chloracne

you

21

because

think

was,

they're

compounds,

of

it

amounts

manufactured,

fact

the

Which

didn't

lack

reports

A

you

the

PCBs

instructions,

20

24

these

we

trace

impurity

from when

impurities

on

electrical

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the

didn't

what

explosion

customers.

cautionary

toxicological

19

the

PCB

trouble.

in

why

know

Whatever

manufacturing

with

10

was

how

to

information

to

say

didn't

Nitro

experience

and

I

the

nothing

amounts

that

that

aspects

respect

to

testing

at

of

toxicity

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systemic

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

IBT

health

because

of

PCBs,

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(2)

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Isn't that a fair statement?

2

A

No,

3

Q

Dr.

by

4

IBT

for

it

isn't.

Kelly,

your

did

A

Yes.

6

Q

Would

7

A

Yes,

sir.

8

Q

And

will

9

A

Page

which?

10

Q

Bates

11

A

Yes,

12

Q

Had

if

14

tissues

you

please

you

number

look

turn

MONS

you

ever

PCBs

or

organs

described

I

ever

when?

16

Q

Before

this

date

17

A

I

the

Treon

Q

I

do

21

toxicologists

Treon

They

23

were

an

24

all

the

time,

25

how

long

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Kelly,

R.

know

thought

because

A

not

page

31?

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page

072693.

you

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to

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academic

do

on

in

page

could

to

determine

affect

the

four?

said

the

pathology

was

1954.

the

the

those

work

yes,

we

were

in

takes

an

academic

reason

you

used

pathologists

but

institution,

and

Emmet M.D.

protocol

extensive

have

some,

a

of the IBT proposal.

how

experiments

20

22

to

impurities

Have

19

developed

072693.

its

A

in

protocol

atExhibit

undertaken

15

18

the

sir.

Monsanto's

and

see

testing?

5

13

you

and

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they

were

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and

you

to

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(frmr Mons Med Dir)

and

IBT

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But

5

do

6

tissues

the

and

8

Q

And

PCBs

were

A

were

toxic

13

the

workers

14

have

15

don't

16

Q

for

any

A

19

brain.

did

report,

I

I

said

can

I

do

not

answer

I

did

any

of

and

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What

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21

affected

in

22

toxic

23

A

It's

24

Q

And

25

A

They

they're

examinations

as

toxic

have

these

to

the

in

proposing

of

all

of

this

any

of

to

these

date

these

1935

to

because

the

that

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of

the

had

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workers,

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could

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those

that

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kidneys,

list

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effects;

of

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complaint

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knowledge

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this

there's

any

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right.

health

that

knowledge

not

with

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no

problems.

workers'

Q

agree

you?

to

20

R.

Treon

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correct?

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problems

have

the

18

Kelly,

the

systemically

Yes.

12

17

you

not

organs;

11

laboratory.

pathologic

organs;

Yes.

or

me

would

following

A

10

show

you

7

9

industrial

question.

Q

4

an

could

reports

in

also

have

of

1935?

the

been

systemic

correct?

possible.

you

Emmet M.D.

knew

were

that

listed

he

by

had

Dr.

those

Jones.

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

complaints?

It

appeared

in FISHER

(2)

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1

that

Dr.

Jones

2

there

3

complaints,

was

a

not

physical

yes,

4

Q

5

said,

6

A

The

7

problems

show

8

Q

9

problems

10

did

And

would

In

a

hundred

component

as

a

percent

basis

for

that

the

sir.

what

be

agree

could

explain

his

gonads

and

brain,

but

do

up

IBT

in

I

that,

his

as

you've

just

brain?

believe

the

psychological

pathological.

were

they

testing

when

they

list

brain

No.

They

are

looking

for

under

psychological

tissues

and

organs

11

A

12

Q

13

A

They

14

Q

That's

to

15

follow

16

impurities

17

Nitro

18

two

19

lassitude;

of

up

in

the

for

correct.

that

their

same

the

in

1956,

workers

chemical,

to

anatomical

Then

in

just

impurities

symptoms,

loss

in

of

pathology.

you

Nitro

as

the

his

get

exposed

worker

chemical,

libido

a

to

in

have

and

fatigue

'56.

Read

or

correct?

DAVIDSON:

21

A

Say

the

22

Q

In

1956,

23

A

Well,

24

question

back.

25

Q

Well,

R.

looking

exposed

MR.

Kelly,

examined?

are

report

was

20

be

Emmet M.D.

I'll

statement

Dr.

you

I'll

object.

over.

Kelly

were

a

repeat

little

before

the

it.

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

in FISHER

(2)

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A

Okay.

2

Q

In

3

lassitude,

loss

of

4

A

I

knew

what

5

Q

And

gonads

6

and

1935,

the

his

you

Yes,

sir.

8

Q

And

could

9

A

Could

10

Q

And

12

libido

be

and

says

Yes,

sir.

14

Q

Now,

this

15

and

16

systemically

17

MR.

would

18

A

Yes,

19

Q

But

20

Monsanto

to

21

result

A

yet

they

is

affect

yes,

that

sir.

were

his

induced?

Could

be.

yes.

you

also

the

there

determine

two

different

25

all

to

R.

report,

get

a

have

report

of

your

experienced

loss

of

second

those

report

could

that

also

you

have,

be

Objection.

sir.

24

Kelly,

1956

DAVIDSON:

There

our

libido.

Jones'

could

of

induced?

MR.

23

that

acknowledge

PCBs

22

in

of

complained

fatigue.

A

of

loss

besystemically

in

13

you

read

possibly,

then

which

I

worker

brain?

A

workers

the

appetite,

organs

7

11

knew

or

if

your

was

no

no

these

testing

undertaken

effects

could

be

by

the

impurities?

DAVIDSON:

Object.

testing

occurrences

regular

Emmet M.D.

was

that

because

had

manufacturing

no

of

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

you

were

picking

relationship

2,4,5

of

in FISHER

at

PCBs.

(2)

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1

One

2

benzene

3

second

4

PCB,

5

those

6

you

talk

7

any

clinical problems

was

not

a

Monsanto

from which

case

had

was

no

two

PCBs

an

isolated

about

at

Dr. Kelly,

9

A

Let

all

is

It

was

manufactured

contaminated

Swann.

removed

and

are

against

'35

to

33

of

years

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from

you

'68

it,

a

by

entirely

to

situations

this

Q

was

insecticide

connection

8

10

situation.

joining

'56,

if

absence

of

on

we

disagree

me

finish.

Q

But yet

absence

a

single piece

on

that.

on

an

examination

any

problems,

of

our

workers.

11

12

not

13

a

14

determine

sophisticated

if

A

16

a

17

That

Q

19

systemic

20

by

a

I

isn't

health

A

23

to

DAVIDSON:

say

in

pursuant

develop

Object.

sophisticated

enough

to

24

clinical

investigation.

25

Q

Emmet M.D.

carried

out

to

Move

to

was

strike.

know

what

you

you

look

for

which

certainly

the

there

but

mean

by

protocol.

I

Where's

that

don't

either

R.

can

I

that

Kelly,

I

effects

show

Object.

protocol

qualified

MR.

21

22

a

ever

Dr. Kelly,

problems?

true.

medical

mean

person

were

to

protocol

DAVIDSON:

sophisticated

18

paper

medical

there

MR.

15

of

of

to

a

protocol

that

protocol.

Move

or

designed

to

Dr.

decide

strike.

Martin

a

was

protocol,

a

data?

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

in FISHER

(2)

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A

The

data

2

laboratory

3

Q

Where

4

A

I

5

Q

You

reports

the

7

is

don't

of

the

the

know

examination

workers

at

reports

the

and

Anniston

the

plant.

compiled?

where

have

it's

compiled.

it.

DAVIDSON:

Objection.

Stop

arguing

with

witness.

A

What

do

10

Q

Where

is

11

A

I

12

Q

Where

is

13

A

Well,

we're

8

in

that

don't

MR.

6

is

you

mean?

I

do

have

it.

I

said

I

had

it.

9

people,

14

the

15

Q

Dr.

16

workers.

I

A

Yes.

18

Q

I

20

systemic

21

is.

want

talking

I

to

you

know

where's

health

effects.

I

24

you're

25

protocol

don't

There

talking

is

you

all

the

determine

want

to

if

know

a

protocol

for

is

no

protocol,

if

But

different

than

what

I

of

data

need

about.

Emmet M.D.

We

that

examine

to

You

about

understand

protocol

examination.

R.

now?

a

23

Kelly,

data?

examined

the

negative

Kelly,

conducted

A

22

it

understand

17

you

compiled

don't

got

19

the

you're

believe

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

a

examined

your

workers.

showing

they

these

that

had

where

the

data

physical

that's

what

talking

about

protocol

is.

in FISHER

(2)

a

as

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Q

Where's the data?

2

A

You

what

3

you're

mean

Q

Right.

5

A

Well,

6

examination,

7

in

8

know

9

these

10

the

file

what

11
last

the

at

you

mean

by

and

page

of

the

data?

Is

that

normal

physical

of

Dr.

Of

who?

14

Q

Exhibit

15

A

32 .

16

Q

Two.

17

A

Yes,

18

Q

The

19

A

Yes,

sir.

20

Q

Dr.

Kelly,

21

volunteers

22

paragraph.

23

A

Yes.

24

Q

Did

25

determine

Blow,

laboratory

that's

got

2,

no

we

testing.

one.

Did

we

examined

But

take

30

That's

I

don't

all

people

in

illness"?

would

you

please

turn

to

the

please?

21?

2.

sir.

last

the

1956

Page

memo.

where?

page.

reference

Kettering

Kettering

Emmet M.D.

Joe

"Well,

Exhibit

It's

at

are

Now,

Kelly,

Exhibit

reports?

compilation.

department

Okay,

the

clinical

say,

A

R.

reports

Anniston.

13

Kelly,

are

and

Q

12

Where

normal

together

PCB

compilation

saying?

4

his

the

at

use

is

the

made

to

human

bottom

of

the

human

volunteers

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

first

to

in FISHER

(2)

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1

A

Did they what?

2

Q

Did

they

3

toxicity

of

PCBs?

4

A

No,

sir.

was

5

to

6

see

Q

7

use

if

was

And

A

Where?

9

Q

Yes.

10

A

Or

11

Q

Would

you

12

A

Well,

no.

13

Q

At

Kettering,

14

A

At

Kettering.

used

16

whether

he

17

PCBs

used

18

repeated

19

details

21

penetrate

22
A

23

24

used

than

Q

could

tell

toxicity.

cause

us

determine

what

I

the

think

it

chloracne.

you

know

about

the

to

Did

Kettering?

Germany

amounts

skin

20

At

Nazi

15

he

the

to

volunteers.

8

small

volunteers

not

material

right.

human

human

It

the

All

of

use

or

like to

anyplace?

take a

But tell

see

me

Dr. Kelly.

of

PCBs

break?

or

if

Is

that

what

I

don't

whether

know

he

chloracne

applications.

I

you

what

I

he

think

could

don't

want?

be

Suskind

used,

it

must

caused

recall

any

be

by

more

that.

he

tell

those

the

skin

MR.

DAVIDSON:

You'd

MR.

have

and

to

DAVIDSON:

people

cause

that

systemic

PCBs

could

health

effects?

Objection.

ask

Dr.

Suskind.

There's

no

way

he

could

answer

that.

25

Kelly,

R.

Emmet M.D.

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

in FISHER

(2)

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1

Q

Do you know?

2

THE

WITNESS:

Don’t

3

MR.

DAVIDSON:

No.

4

that

you

had

no

5

done.

6
7

Q

Was

that

A

That

was

8

Dr.

Suskind

9

use

any

human

10

was

not

as

11

later

12

honorable

13

people,

an

Q

Did

15

their

16

A

I

17

Q

Dr.

skin

he

experiment

paid

for

by

and

do

of

the

out.

not

tell

In

as

a

I'm

going

to

that

paragraphs

Do

I

22

Q

Right.

23

A

With

24

Q

No.

Does Monsanto

25

A

Well,

presumably

Emmet M.D.

two,

could

go

these

through

injury?

in

A

and

PCBs

the

21

reputable

at

the

have

page.

was

this."

referenced

last

it

to

consent

by

you

the

him

harmed

do

On

ask

be

Kelly,

Q

that

informed

as

have

Monsanto?

told

told

20

may

he

he

one,

basis

that

what

Paragraphs

not

the

very

sure

systemic

A

R.

1956,

and

know

did

expansive

was

19

Kelly,

investigation

Monsanto

or

them

cause

not

the

Suskind

Suskind

are

on

Dr.

individual,

"You

objected

what

volunteers.

but

I

it?

knowing

part

carried

years,

reports

of

descriptive

14

18

way

answer

them.

copies

one,

and

two

three

Paragraph

of

the

and

three?

where?

two.

have them?

me?

have

they

those?

do.

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

in FISHER

(2)

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Q

1

2

Mr.

3

read

All

Weger's

right.

And,

excellent

Dr.

history

A

Yes,

5

Q

And

do

6

A

No,

sir,

I

read

7

Q

8

you

have

copy

Does

Monsanto

have

A

I

not

9

Q

Do

10

A

Certainly

11

Q

12

Monsanto?

13

A

do

about

chloracne.

Did

you

you

I'd

it

that

copy

personally?

of that?

know.

Q

All

16

short

break?

if

Weger

would

have

to

or

not.

is

15

right.

Dr.

MR.

18

(Whereupon,

DAVIDSON:

(Reporter

Q

Dr.

Kelly.

21

A

Yes,

sir.

22

Q

I

23

A

Yes,

24

Q

Can

25

A

It

hand

you

an

that's

I

Monsanto

still

assumption.

Kelly,

there

marked

20

wrote it,

assume

make

17

19

a

of

you

So

whether

I

a

not.

R.

us

it.

do

Kelly,

of

tell

that?

4

14

Kelly,

would

you

had

it.

on

file

with

I

don't

know

like

to

take

a

would.

was

a

brief

Plaintiff's

what ismarked

as

recess.)

Exhibit

Exhibit

3.)

3.

sir.

you

identify the exhibit?

is

memorandum by

Emmet M.D.

a

somebody

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

describing

in FISHER

a

(2)

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conference at the Kettering Laboratory.

2

Q

Did

3

A

I

don't

4

Q

Do

you

5

A

Do

6

Q

Yes.

7

A

Yes.

8

Q

H.

9

A

Yes.

last

half

10

the

11

12

interpose

13

entire

14

obj ection.

I

get

know

know

an

an

objection

McCREA:

17

A

Yes.

18

Q

L.

19

A

Yes.

20

Q

This

21

impurities

22

A

What

23

Q

Impurities.

24

A

Yes,

Kelly,

R.

R.

did

or

Suskind,

we've

Mr.

as

to

questioning

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not.

M.D.

been

talking

about

for

I

McCrea,

the

and

I

will

relevance

ask

for

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a

again

of

this

continuing

counsel.

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C.

Weger?

again

caused

it

R.

I

memoranda?

hour.

Q

what

whether

man

DAVIDSON:

P.

this

Oettel?

MR.

of

of

him?

16

know

copy

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That's

MR.

25

a

recall

Oettel?

line

15

you

injury

caused

sir.

refers

to theincident

at

BASF

and

where

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correct?

injury?

Orsomething

at Monsanto.

I

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diphenylene oxide.

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will

to

could

I

to

temperatures,

What

they

eight

get

people

R.

of

exposed

11

Kelly,

byproducts

workers

the

any

25

as

Well,

A

that

that

problems.

10

21

impurities

health

counted.

did

to

different

we

9

attributable

if

systemic

they

effects

they

were

effects

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

if

did

in FISHER

you

in

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your

1

mind

A

2

that

that

could

develop

chloracne,

4

trouble,

5

major

6

result

7

and

8

problems

9

customers

10

Q

and

whether

things.

of

the

if

of

a

12

A

Yes.

13

Q

And

14

describe

15

like

to

these

other

liver

problems

were

us

exposed

that

he

with

Q

What's

the

18

A

To

see

if

19

Q

Do

you

know

21

exposed

A

23

whether

24

me,

25

Kelly,

R.

an

to

PCBs?

I

don't

they

but.

.

Q

Do

did

or

develop

those

symptoms

not,

enough

the

liver

are

the

were

the

liver

possibly

problem

disabling

which

we

never

had

any

ever

taken

an

occupational

to

PCBs?

occupational

history,

to

you

of

an

in

did

detail

you

what

it

was

PCBs?

17

took

you

describe

Yes.

ever

think

overexposed,

worker

A

that

could

serious,

have

did

overexposed

that.

16

20

a

Kelly,

in

work

they

Whether

you

tell

were

I

problem was

Dr.

history

or

they

suffer?

not

their

skin

if

could

foresaw

they

22

they

I

3

11

foresee

purpose

you

can

of

a

guantify

single

occupational

Just

know

yes

if

or

not.

have

any

occupational

or

I'd

I

history

be

exposure.

customer

no.

do

the

in

not

Do

a

history?

of

you

of

a

Monsanto

worker

know?

position

recall

to

them

know

telling

.

you

Emmet M.D.

occupational

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

histories

in FISHER

recorded

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1

in writing?

2

A

No,

sir,

I

3

Q

Did

you

test

levels

4

in

1971

and

5

A

Say

that

6

Q

Did

you

7

find

elevated

8

would

9

A

be

very

workers

elevated

for

PCB

blood

levels?

over.

test

at

tested

workers

11

'73,

12

There

13

that

14

illness.

15

Q

16

question.

All

17

elevated

levels?

the

don't

was

Monsanto's

much

above

know

PCB

the

workers

two

you.

He

workers.

Plant

We

that

was

time.

Kelly,

MR.

the

when.

one

particular

Dr.

all

Krummerich

only

18

to

Monsanto

find

levels

10

19

not.

to

in

1971

eight

and

that

background?

We

I

do

He

tested

sometime

ran

blood

above

had

I

no

the

in

'72,

levels

on

them.

basal

level

symptoms.

He

wish

you

could

just

right?

Did

you

test

workers

said

Well,

I

the

'71,

I

DAVIDSON:

all

think

had

answer

he's

and

at

no

the

find

explaining

one

20

Q

There

was

one

worker

21

A

Yes.

And

there

All

right.

were

that

22

had

or

elevated

something

levels?

that

didn't.

22

23

Q

24

submitted

25

A

Kelly,

R.

it

I

to

the

don't

Emmet M.D.

And

you

issued

government;

know

if

I

a

paper

on

that

and

correct?

submitted

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

it

to

the

in FISHER

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1

government or not.

2

Q

You

don't

3

workers

that

4

billion?

5

A

6

several.

7

Q

8

potentiate

carbon

9

A

don't

I

had

Dr.

10

potentiated

11

was

Kelly,

Q

Isn't

13

solitary

14

potentiate

carbon

15

A

I

answer,

19

question

20

ahead.

21

Q

22

today

23

A

24

to

25

Kelly,

R.

that

don't

think

If

and

there

were

per

synergistically

ethyl

believed

potentiated

alcohol?

that

it

or

they

whether

it

not.

issued

PCBs

could

synergistically

in

didn't,

a

ethyl

but

I

single,

alcohol?

have

to

explain

we

can

response

we're

they

parts

never

DAVIDSON:

Well,

I

Do

of

you

certainly

the

hundreds

tetrachloride

counsel

MR.

or

several

the

PCBs

they

were

in

Drinker

true

too.

Your

18

it

there

tetrachloride

effect

warning

No,

Q

17

are

Whether

12

that

so.

know.

additive

that

levels

think

an

16

recall

PCB

don't

I

I believe I did.

not

get

the

He's

to

explanation.

entitled

your

going

to

to

explain

question

end

right

this

your

now.

Go

deposition

then?

It's

come

out.

Q

All

all

right

right.

Emmet M.D.

Go

with

me.

ahead

and

I

just

explain

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

want

the

your

in FISHER

truth

answer

on

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1

the

synergistic

2

ethyl

3

A

alcohol

As

potentiation

by

far

4

tetrachloride,

5

synergistic

6

Drinker

7

previously

8

with

9

carbon

10

not

11

subjected

12

rather

as

the

whether

was

carbon

to

PCBs.

He

that

by

to

had

than

any

PCB.

Beg

16

Q

Didn't

17

A

Not

people

18

Q

The

animals.

19

A

I

20

don't

know

21

Q

23

consumption

They

your

how

workers

I

they

died

Drinker.

tested

more

that

susceptible

to

were

who

were

not

who

had

not

been

was

additive

who

they

yellow

atrophy

of

the

liver;

of

yellow

atrophy

of

the

liver?

yes.

I

worked

with

whether

PCBs.

They

died,

died.

you

exposed

aware

to

PCBs

of

Cranch's

should

be

warning

advised

in

1944

against

alcohol?

don't

exactly

didn't

Emmet M.D.

die

recall

were

of

of

pardon?

they

don't

And

that

a

been

animals

believe

or

synergistic.

A

22

I

the

effect

previously

workers

than

carbon

had

the

workers

of

that

than

to

in

workers

tetrachloride

15

R.

explained

were

correct?

Kelly,

not

an

they

14

PCBs.

additive

was

that

Well,

25

that

animals

Q

A

effect

found

the

tetrachloride

synergistic

tetrachloride

13

24

carbon

PCBs.

effect

gave

of

now

what

Cranch

had

to

do

with

make

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

in FISHER

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1

Q

Did you read his article?

2

A

I

3

Carbide,

4

Q

5

Drinker?

6

A

may

had

Would

No.

as

8

certainly

9

considerably.

much

had

Q

You

11

A

Well,

Is

14

Well

aspirin

to

we

working

with

PCB

or

Kelly,

synergistic

with

Well,

you

just

17

A

What?

18

Q

You

19

A

I

just

said

Q

So

you

22

A

No,

I

Kelly,

don't

it

that

by

were

not

were.

We

drank

that?

good

idea

with

not

to

drink

too

aspirin.

focusing

on

aspirin.

alcohol?

know

if

PCBs

are

synergistic.

testified

testified

that

study

that

may

be

Drinker

additive.

I

did

not

say

synergistic.

21

25

we're

and

animals

against

a

Q

Q

the

not

Dr.

Carbon

the

workers

it's

16

24

with

plant

them

with

PCBs.

said

I

workers,

was

the

as

our

warn

But

23

think

at

No.

were

he

with

PCBs

A

they

do

I

15

20

but

consistent

the

didn't

you're

Q

13

be

workers

10

if

that

to

Because

exposed

much

yes,

nothing

7

12

have,

didn't

did

not.

whether

they

You

no

and

had

by

Zack

Musch

R.

Emmet M.D.

warn

And

drank

trouble.

indicated

your

we

or

workers?

had

no

trouble

in

our

not.

The

you

mortality

had

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

30

study

deaths,

in FISHER

done

and

you

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1

expected

approximately

2

to

is

PCBs;

that

MR.

3

22.

DAVIDSON:

A

Say

this

over.

5

Q

Zack

and

Musch

PCB

workers

7

A

who

MR.

occurred

had

no

in

1979,

five

McCREA:

11

MR.

DAVIDSON:

12

referring

13

five

to

years

Q

and

after

Okay.

Dr.

study

because

16

that

study

show

17

deaths

A

over

I

do

probably

20

interpretation

So

workers

22

on

PCB

23

of

deaths?

MR.

at

your

Emmet M.D.

The

a

That

Dr.

study

Kelly

are

was

conclusion

study

retired.

dead.

Now

done

that

about

was

you're

done

retired.

Kelly,

your

occurred

after

was

an

counsel

you

objects

retired.

excessive

to

Did

number

of

expected?

Would

here.

not

you

I'll

aware

Monsanto

aware

of

DAVIDSON:

characterization

R.

of

show

be

me

happy

the

to

study?

give

you

study

done

my

it.

you're

Not

people

there

it

of

object.

These

know.

have

Q

it

was

not

You

Kelly,

study

correct?

after

Dr.

that

what

19

25

mortality

years

Kelly

And,

this

24

a

I'll

drawing

15

21

exposed

object.

did

DAVIDSON:

MR.

18

I

trouble;

10

14

workers

Yes.

8

9

were

correct?

4

6

Those

of

what

of

a

showing

mortality

an

excessive

number

it.

I

object

the

study

to

the

shows.

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

It's

not

in FISHER

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1

right.

2

A

3

particular

study

4

excessive

deaths.

5

Q

that

6

I

am

not

Well,

indicate

A

8

I

Q

10

do

All

11

who

worked

12

laboratory

14

you

you

not

know

IBT

data

do

not

know

know

of

my

own

I

know

not

16

prison.

All

17

papers.

This

occurred

And,

Dr.

Q

19

Monsanto

to

20

A

I

IBT

do

21

toxicologist

22

IBT.

not

for

23

Q

Did

he

24

A

He

was

department.

We

25

Kelly,

R.

that

was

Emmet M.D.

he

after

the

on

back

research

hired

him

in

had

would

that

he

is

what

I

for

falsifying

correct?

served

I

for.

time

in

in

the

read

I

do

left.

toxicologist

when

PCB

he

who

studies

He

went

at

IBT?

was

not

a

to

work

worked

from

for

Monsanto?

chemist

as

toxicologist

prosecuted

either.

to

a

prison;

was

the

that

Monsanto

a

30,

object.

him

work

you

time

what

Kelly,

come

find

scientifically

prosecuted

I’ll

about

know

have

deaths?

is

Kelly,

knowledge

did

you

they

object.

served

15

18

I

DAVIDSON:

I

and

this

not.

who

A

22

of

saying

excessive

Dr.

and

details

report

if

or

right.

for

the

expect

are

sound

MR.

13

if

of

DAVIDSON:

statistically

9

that

there

MR.

7

aware

a

in

the

agricultural

toxicologist

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

when

in FISHER

he

came

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back

1

to Monsanto.
Q

2

3

for

Did he

come back

to Monsanto

forestalling unreasonable

4

MR.

5

A

I

DAVIDSON:

don't

Object.

know anything

(Deposition was

6

7

April

8,

and get

government
Move

about

an

award

regulations?

to

strike.

that.

recessed to

10:00

a.m.

on

1994.)

8

9

10
11

Subscribed and

12

_
_
_
_
_
_
_
_
_
_
_
_
_
_,

ROBERT

EMMET

sworn before me

KELLY,

this

M.D.

day of

1994.

13
14

My

commission

expires:

15
16
17
Notary Public

18
19

20

21
22
23

FAO/Fisher vs.

Monsanto

24
25
NOTARIAL CERTIFICATE
STATE OF MISSOURI
SS
CITY OF

ST.

LOUIS
I,

Professional

)
FAITH A.

Reporter

Public within

and

certify that

there

Husch

&

OLLIGES,

and a

for

the

State

100

Registered

of Missouri,

came before me

Eppenberger,

a

duly commissioned Notary
at

the

North Broadway,

do

hereby

offices
St.

of

Louis,

Missouri,
ROBERT
who was

by me

EMMET

and nothing but

the

truth of

concerning the matters
that

the witness

was

said examination was
signature

of

all parties;
correct

the parties

taken;

to

further,

any attorney or
or

the

was

certify that

for nor

I

a

R.

I

on April

Emmet M.D.

and

that

true

the
of

and

am not

a

employed by any

this

relative

deposition

or

employee

employed by the parties
this

11,

commission

is
of

hereto

action.
I

have

hereunto

set my

1994.
expires

March
[NOTARY

Kelly,

cause;

am neither

related nor

action in which

counsel

My

this

not waived by agreement

IN WITNESS WHEREOF,
seal

truth

examined under oath

deposition is

financially interested in

hand and

the

touching and

testimony given by the witness.

the

that

knowledge

controversy in

this

further

counsel

M.D.,
testify to

reduced to writing by me;

and that
I

of

in

all

thereupon

the witness

record of

attorney nor

KELLY,

first duly sworn to

(frmr Mons Med Dir)

21,

1997.

PUBLIC]

in FISHER

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3:9
1:1 65:21 79:23
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0.5
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072693
1240
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1506
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097492
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11
249:2
204:1
1:1
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113
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120:15
1:1
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44:10
91:25
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1971
129:6,7,13 281:4,6
1974
3:12,16 10:18 11:22 42:24
133:11,24 163:21 164:21
167:4,23 169:3,5,7,8 185:6
185:13 189:2 212:9 221:16
243:10 263:8
1977
22:9 145:8,13
1979
285:9
1987
168:3
1994
1:1,1 144:8 287:7,12,25
1997
287:25
1st
141:14 154:10 220:21
2
2
1:1 45:4 52:11,20 53:12
55:5,13 60:3 224:3,5
229:25 252:12,14 264:4,5
264:11
2,3,7,8
274:19
2,4,5
206:2,2,10,10,19 207:21
208:7,24 209:23 210:1,22
213:5,10 214:1 226:6,13
249:25 258:2 262:12,21,23
267:23
2,6,2,4
274:20
20
1:1 93:8,10 94:13,16,20
111:13 188:23
200
78:2 219:23
208
1:1
20th
125:5,9

21

33

1:1,1 95:18,20 96:17
157:13 252:13 287:25
21st
131:14
22
1:1 78:1599:15 157:14
158:8 165:1 281:21 285:1
286:5
228
1:1
23
1:1 101:10
23rd
109:15
24
1:1 103:17
25
1:1 105:3 111:14
2571
1:1
259
1:1
26
1:1 109:12
26th
222:7
27
1:1,1 112:12,15,24
27420
1:1
28
1:1 78:16 114:12
28th
66:7
29
1:1 22:8 115:17
3
3
1:1,1 53:17,17 55:5,13
255:19,22
30
1:1 22:8 118:3 167:22
188:23 209:11 252:9
284:25 286:5
300
1:1
30's
11:4,6 38:4 64:21
31
1:1,1,1 121:21 246:6
314
1:1
32
1:1 125:3 252:15

50's
8:21 20:6 21:21 64:18,21
34
68:6 72:16 75:6 76:3 93:24
51
1:1 128:8
35
18:23
1:1 19:18 112:7 129:3
515
130:13 250:5
1:1
36
52
1:1 11:5 131:5 188:25
18:23 195:12
37
53
242:25 243:2
1:1 137:15,23
38
54
177:23 178:13,24
23:6 66:7 87:9 128:12
130:7 142:10
39
1:1 62:24,24 135:13 157:12 5400
214:4
23:10
54201
4
93:12 95:22 96:23
A
5460
1:1,1 59:20,22
23:12 58:5 61:21,22,25
4,000
62:11
125:16
55
40
95:4
57:25 60:10 68:9 82:5
56
167:22 183:17,23
80:2 228:15 229:11 243:1
40's
248:23 250:5
12:12,15 34:18 64:18,21
57
42
1:1_____________________
23:5 114:14 130:8 142:10
6
142:18
6
43
1:1 62:19 63:23
1:1
6/24/65
4400
23:7
204:18
4465
60
23:8 48:1 57:17,20,21
23:13 58:1 60:9 128:12
58:13 60:1,7,9,12 62:11
165:25 169:4 172:21
46
228:16 229:11
3:10
60/40
47
47:21
18:6,6
600
47402
219:24
60's
1:1
48
20:5 93:21,24 94:23 193:14
142:10,18
193:21 223:7,7 278:7
49
621
238:8 242:25
1:1
4th
628
82:21 115:25
136:21
63
5
1:1 86:11
5
63101
1:1 60:18 62:5 81:21 187:6
1:1
187:21 189:9 190:16
63105
50
2:25
20:12 72:3,6,6,23 74:1
64
125:16271:8,12,15,21,22
1:1
1:1 39:18 127:20 250:6

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WATER PCB-SD0000047628

[65 - afflicted]
65

academy
4:18 19:19
accelerate
1:1 66:1868:10
142:14
90
accept
21:1844:16 124:19
238:15 239:11
91
accepted
1:1
155:21 238:22
93037d
accident
1:1,1
132:9
96
accidents
1:1
5:12
97
accurate
1:1
10:1355:23 71:9 119:10
98
143:3 167:24 180:21 192:2
21:5 100:4,22
214:12 232:19
981
accurately
140:18,19
158:6
983
accusation
139:18
215:16,17216:22 217:14
99
accusations
1:1 100:22 157:15,17
215:7,14
164:25 167:11 219:7
achieved
a
218:21
a.m.
aching
144:7 287:6
262:3,22 264:9 265:22
a.m.a.
266:8
8:23 69:17
acid
abating
67:10206:11,19221:3
34:8
acknowledge
abbreviated
240:8 249:15
186:13
acknowledged
aberrant
64:13
200:10
acne
ability
257:8
158:5 167:16
acneform
able
39:21 90:4
37:17,18 78:10 93:17 97:10 acnegenic
100:18 102:23 106:1
260:13
162:24 221:21 232:18
act
absence
189:17 207:9
29:24 165:7 250:6,11
action
absolutely
116:12 127:7 136:24
28:22 30:8 62:10 167:18
140:22,25 287:25,25
192:2 237:18
actions
absorbed
26:23 44:23
13:4,5,15 116:12
activities
absorption
143:6 216:3
53:5 74:18 75:10 181:3,13 activity
279:16
72:13215:15217:12
abstract
actual
137:19
63:25 131:22 278:8
abstracts
acute
8:14
13:13 26:4,18,22 27:22
academic
28:21 33:3 70:17 71:14,15
76:23 246:23,25
71:16,22,23 72:8,20 73:1
9

23:9 47:22 53:15 56:19,22
57:17,18 63:17 205:15,23
66
1:1 117:4
665
2:25
67
118:8 120:15 121:19
68
58:1263:19 131:3,9,12,14
250:6
69
1:1 138:22 156:9 216:9,10
6th
215:6___________________
7
7
1:1 65:8 69:12
70
1:1,1 97:12
70's
38:1 94:23 146:1,2
71
97:12 115:25 281:10
72
281:10
73
281:11
75
70:13
77
1:1
78
1:1
7th
66:21___________________
8
8

1:1 66:5 218:14 219:1
287:7
80
1:1,1 69:17
800
219:24
83
1:1
84
3:18,20
86
1:1,1
88
1:1
8th
103:20

9

acute (cont.)
73:18 74:15 75:1,2,8 76:3
82:21,22 84:5,6 85:4,4 86:2
103:24 104:4 271:5
acutely
276:18277:11,19
add
19:3 123:12 265:20
adding
19:5
addition
28:1 147:17,17 150:24
166:4 230:2,25 231:22,25
264:17 267:2,15
additional
58:3 120:23 230:5 234:6
240:12,15 267:16
additive
282:11 283:4,11 284:19
addressed
80:18 122:5 239:5
adequacy
30:18
adequate
5:7 6:3 116:14 194:12,20
adhered
244:6
administered
71:18
administration
105:17 123:3 138:7 155:20
271:22
administrative
122:9,11
administrator
105:7
adopted
7:20 22:14 141:1
adverse
10:1931:12 159:9 166:16
167:3,23 183:18 184:5
advice
5:22 107:17
advisable
104:6
advised
153:12 283:22
advisor
128:22
affair
33:9
affect
119:23 246:13 249:5
afflicted
52:6

Kelly, R. Emmet M.D. (frmr Mons Med Dir) in FISHER (2)

WATER PCB-SD0000047629

[afternoon - archives]
afternoon
allegations
9:11
1:1
age
allegedly
2:9 21:2
65:6 237:24 243:7
agencies
allis
80:19 86:20 128:18 129:18
150:19
agency
allowable
154:3 211:1,7,15
64:24 68:4,23 69:5,6 91:16
agent
104:14,24 186:8,11,17,25
17:15 25:20 34:1,12 112:22
187:5,10,13 188:17 189:6
132:19 208:15 234:16
189:14,22 191:7,19 192:9
agents
allowed
33:8
82:15 95:1
ago
ambient
7:21 39:4 46:7,25 71:14
72:5
84:7 112:7 129:10 131:22 amenable
172:21 218:5,6 264:21
231:6 234:21
agree
amend
101:8 107:15 108:6 149:8
54:12
168:16,23 171:18202:16
american
208:11 244:16 247:4 248:1
4:15,17,18,19 8:20,25 9:5
257:1 262:6,9 276:4
9:22 16:6 19:19,23 39:14
agreed
64:22 65:11 69:13 79:21
2:1 89:6 273:3
81:15 82:8 104:15 114:22
agreement
115:3 133:13 164:17 167:3
287:25
183:12
agricultural
amino
86:12 128:25 226:5 227:1
195:10 196:8,10,14 200:18
265:22 286:24
amount
agriculture
72:19 78:8 187:24 190:5
128:19 129:22
278:23
ahead
amounts
8:9 12:23 29:10 35:16
5:20 72:19 213:9 245:5,6
41:18 42:12 45:20 47:9
253:15
50:8 56:11,15 107:5 116:20 analyses
133:9 135:9 170:7,13
270:22
195:19 282:20,25
analysis
air
74:1 75:21 82:20 84:9
7:14 67:5 68:13 72:4 74:16
234:22 243:8
75:11 77:15 187:24 188:2,4 analytical
188:6 190:21 191:9,21
85:25 117:24 118:14
201:17241:18
119:18 130:17 136:23
alabama
142:14 150:4 208:13
145:22,24 146:16 159:6
221:20 222:4 227:3 231:7
179:2
231:12 234:15,19 235:4
alaska
243:19 278:9
113:5
analyze
albino
28:1 57:15 234:20 242:17
128:11
243:16
alcohol
analyzed
282:8,14 283:2,23 284:14
135:23
alden
anatomical
39:14 44:12 172:16 175:22
54:23 248:13
alden's
anecdotal
173:4
213:24 223:6

anecdotally
appear
150:20
140:25 144:24 149:11,13
anemia
273:12
194:2,5,12,19,24
appearance
animal
54:23
70:6,25 71:1,3,10,17 72:20 appeared
72:22 85:7 97:25 98:7,15
67:5 69:2 131:23 247:25
198:24 270:9 271:4
appears
animals
55:16 95:21 114:17 139:15
7:3 70:21 72:2,3,4,10 77:17
139:21
89:25 120:3 124:22,25
appetite
125:12 151:21 159:24
170:20,21 171:16 173:21
162:1 168:13,20 200:3
174:7,12,20,21,22 175:4
241:3,16 257:20,25 271:13
177:14 178:12 180:4
283:7,10,18 284:7
230:18 249:3
animal's
application
54:24
87:9 91:13 258:1
anniston
applications
42:25 43:14 44:16 145:22
98:4,6 151:18 253:18
145:24 146:16 159:6
applied
160:20 179:2,10 180:3
22:10 24:22 72:1 95:3
230:17 251:2 252:7
applying
answer
95:14
12:23 17:4,5 29:4,10 35:11 appoint
35:1737:1538:1241:18
141:6
54:13 67:4 68:12 89:12
appointing
108:22 155:3 160:9 177:19
143:9
178:19 179:24 183:9
appreciate
188:22 195:23 202:14
96:20 206:6
203:4 211:10213:14
appropriate
231:14 234:23 247:2
26:3,17 29:2 30:19 151:23
180:13
253:24 254:2 262:16,23
281:15 282:16,25
approve
answered
89:20
66:21 158:21 179:19
approved
answering
89:23 100:17 102:25
38:11
125:22 183:16
anthracene
approving
222:12
13:24
anybody
approximate
7:12 14:21 43:9 46:24
72:3 97:10
108:9 143:20 155:18
approximately
32:20 88:20 121:17 141:13
171:23 195:6
anymore
270:15 285:1
143:25 216:11
approximation
71:6
anyplace
156:6 253:10
april
anyway
1:1,1 65:12 66:7,21 80:2
56:17 117:7 176:23
113:6 144:8 287:7,25
apostrophe
aquatic
222:11
97:24
apparatus
arced
34:20 106:6 107:7 259:11
220:16
apparently
archives
106:22
39:14

Kelly, R. Emmet M.D. (frmr Mons Med Dir) in FISHER (2)

WATER PCB-SD0000047630

[arcing - back]
arcing
askarel (cont.)
221:2
203:15,21 275:8
areas
askarels
4:5 42:21
101:18,22 158:2 167:14
arguing
asked
251:6
31:15 33:23 57:9,9 66:7
arm
81:24 103:23 104:3,25
178:10
176:19 178:2,5,11 179:3,8
arms
179:15 180:1 194:25
129:16
199:24 213:1 237:7 277:3
army
asking
18:15,1586:19
2:21 30:24 51:13 103:13
arnold
111:24 113:6 175:11 176:1
123:18
184:22,22 194:14,16
aroclor
238:21 262:20 276:22
22:12,12,18 23:5 43:19
aspect
44:1 48:1 56:18 57:21 60:1
5:6,7 9:4 42:16
60:12 61:25,25 65:13,17,17 aspects
65:18 66:12,23 67:12 68:23
16:23 49:24 139:13 180:20
73:19 74:1,14 75:2,5 80:1
245:24
81:9 85:2 86:23 89:8 90:1 aspirin
92:4 103:24 111:19 122:1
284:12,13,14
125:7 128:12 129:8 136:6 asserted
136:12,21 137:21 141:8,16
225:24
142:3,7,10 186:18 187:5
assignment
189:25 215:7
220:20
aroclors
assistant
22:22,23,24 50:2 77:16,25
106:8
90:4,8 99:19 100:1,25
associate
101:17 107:14 108:2 114:2
93:1 106:8 205:16
134:21 142:18 158:2
associated
167:14 218:22 222:14
7:6 48:10 111:19
arrangements
associates
50:11
70:18 73:25 74:3,10,25
arrived
86:2
179:4
association
arsenic
4:16,20 8:23,25 19:23
180:25 181:4,8,13,13,21
33:21 36:21 65:11 69:13
182:10,16
79:21 80:2 113:12 115:3
art
assume
239:4
68:13 114:6 255:11
article
assumed
8:24 39:13,19 40:1 44:6,20
141:11
51:20 53:7,18 62:21 63:9
assumes
65:10,15,24 67:20,20 69:11
278:17
80:11 110:19 135:22 170:4 assuming
171:4 172:7 175:12214:5
207:25
216:7 217:23 266:24 284:1 assumption
articles
149:4 255:13
7:25 10:22
assumptions
ascribe
175:9
120:2
assure
aside
218:20
70:23 105:25
ate
askarel
153:4
101:13,14,15 115:20

atlanta
authorities
44:15,17
133:17
atmospheric
authority
218:22
36:25 139:7
atoms
authorize
144:22 147:2,3 234:6
125:6
240:12,15
authors
atrophy
171:19
48:7,8 283:13,16
authorship
attached
275:20 276:20
36:20 47:24 94:20 118:9
autoclave
122:22 139:15,21
241:16
attachment
autoclaves
122:6,7 139:23
241:4
attempt
automobile
260:12
25:18
attempted
available
242:17
14:12 28:3 82:3 90:7
attend
164:10
138:23
average
attended
23:3,6 149:16,18 181:16
51:5 206:1
188:1
attending
avian
48:15
119:21 216:3
attention
avoid
54:17 65:19 87:20 99:21
11:16,17 35:24 91:11 92:20
100:3 102:4 112:11 117:6,7
92:21 98:14,17 107:20
117:8 132:2,4 134:6 140:15
110:17 113:14 193:18
154:24,25 155:1 157:20
260:3
attorney
avoidance
287:25,25
151:19 152:15
attracted
avoided
150:10,12
107:15 110:15 113:21
attractive
award
23:20
287:2
attributable
aware
279:1
9:10 25:3 75:24 173:14
attributed
203:12,15 270:24 283:21
121:8
285:21,23 286:2
attributes
awful
23:19
106:16 107:6 133:7 177:8
attributing
210:16
171:22
awhile
audience
14:11
14:25 91:18 114:4,4
b
august
b2
92:6
6:18
authenticated
38:9
4:2
author
harhplnr'c
76:15 204:21 224:10 274:2
4:1
274:4
back
authored
111 287 32 7 33 13 34 6
88:5 214:5 215:8 222:7
34:10 43:25 44:10 46:15
233:25 272:9
47:1 51:19 57:15 58:20
79:6 84:12 95:19,25 97:2,3

Kelly, R. Emmet M.D. (frmr Mons Med Dir) in FISHER (2)

WATER PCB-SD0000047631

[back - borne]
back (cont.)
beating
benignus (cont.)
biopsies
112:1 130:17 134:7 142:21
173:17
220:21
257:13,13,14
142:22 167:7 182:2,3
beg
bennett
biphenyl
231:15,17 239:7 248:24
153:15 206:22 278:3
55:11
9:19 10:2 23:4 47:19 97:21
264:6 266:24 269:14,19
283:15
bent
97:22 195:10 196:8,10,14
276:20 286:23 287:1,2
began
104:22
200:18 222:12,19 224:24
background
91:22 97:11 121:14 141:13 benzanthracene
225:3 238:1,20 239:14
18:10,24 281:8
beginning
222:12
biphenyls
bad
12:3 17:25 39:5 133:10
benzene
9:12,15 22:22 95:9 132:2,5
64:10 202:4
206:25
43:16,18,22 44:5,25 144:21
144:24 145:2,6 159:5
badische
begins
144:22 146:24 147:3,11,12
224:21 225:9 238:6 262:13
237:17 262:19 266:17
100:4 157:21 200:21
193:10,11,12,15,19,21
bird
270:21 274:13
behalf
194:2,12,19 222:18 250:2
97:24
bag
benzofuran
birds
1:1,1
77:17
beings
148:8
117:12 120:1 121:7 216:3
bailiwick
benzofurans
bit
71:1 149:1,4
142:24
belgian
219:9 227:1 276:23
7:7 39:4 48:5 59:17 76:19
bake
117:9
bergen
94:2 106:20 122:11 177:21
45:10 47:6,10 49:22 50:11 belief
103:23 222:9
bits
bald
126:14
berger
97:4
143:20
believe
128:20
bizarre
basal
5:2 8:22 12:2 21:12 33:1,12 berger's
263:18 266:11
281:12
40:1347:1551:2,1856:10
129:23
bladder
base
56:17 58:13 59:20 64:14
best
195:15
13:9 30:21
65:11 80:15 83:18 86:9
40:10 82:2 95:13 129:22
blended
based
92:10,11 93:22 97:12
131:15 145:4 155:19
94:5
12:19 28:10 29:19,24 31:9
109:24 114:16 117:4
179:12211:21 220:17
blending
35:10 38:6 62:4 108:22
118:13 124:8 128:20
221:12 223:10,13 226:21
73:10
164:25 172:3 175:11
131:11,21 132:14 133:24
232:4 276:16
blew
189:21
134:23 151:10 156:12
better
242:8
basf
157:12 160:8 172:19 177:4
43:23 59:8 126:21 199:6
blood
228:11 230:3 238:8 241:6
177:7,8 182:10 187:16
beyond
149:15,23 150:2,8 281:3,11
242:22,24,25 243:2 256:21
188:23 195:17 196:11,13
104:7
bloomington
264:1 265:5 267:16
197:24 198:23 200:15
bi
1:1 111:18
basic
206:11 211:16214:9
9:24
blow
101:8 116:4
219:20,22,25 221:4 223:25 bible
252:5
basically
228:17 231:24 232:8
138:6
blumenthal
79:14
243:14 248:6 251:25
123:19 127:15,23
big
basis
257:14 258:23 282:1
23:22 24:4,13 107:11
board
27:13,15 28:22 36:20 38:21
283:11
bill
4:5,7,8 92:18 138:11
60:2 65:3 68:19 111:9
believed
62:10 131:6 141:19 220:22 bock
130:5 172:17 184:11 206:7
11:1543:1487:18 133:18 billion
138:3 143:23
248:2 254:3 272:21,23
282:9
145:16 149:17 272:15,23
bodies
273:6
believes
273:5,6,8 282:4
149:1
batches
233:20 236:20 237:21
bio
bodily
125:15
238:5
70:21 84:24 85:13,21,21
90:3,8
bates
belong
86:1,6 121:25 122:18,20,21 body
157:17 246:8,10
4:13,14
123:15,23 129:5 159:23
54:24 64:3 149:5 201:17
battery
belonged
biochemical
boiling
74:12
4:1369:16,18
123:20
67:13,16
beach
benchmark
biochemistry
bond
197:16 199:12
72:8
122:13
147:1,2,2
bear
benefits
biodegradation
booklet
68:25
23:14
119:19 142:9
89:8 113:9 192:13
bearing
benignus
biodegrade
borne
270:8,8 271:2,3 274:15,16
99:17,23,24 100:9,18
120:10
172:12
Kelly, R. Emmet M.D. (frmr Mons Med Dir) in FISHER (2)

WATER PCB-SD0000047632

[bother - cases]

bother
177:4

bothered
177:5

bottling
20:16

bottom
88:6 102:19 115:22 140:16
140:21 225:2,4,5 252:21
261:14,20 268:6

bought
22:6 193:11

broadway
1:1 287:25

brochure
102:23

broken
64:3 120:8 202:9

brought
65:18 110:25 117:6,8
123:25 154:24,25 155:1
174:24,25 177:6 193:24

brown
46:5 164:20

box

brown's

1:1

164:22

brain

brussels

247:19 248:5,6,9 249:6

branch
123:19,20

brass
138:2 140:1

break
58:15,1869:21,22 116:17
180:13 204:11 214:24
253:11 255:16

breakfast
132:23

breaking
69:20

breathe
36:2 72:4 187:11 201:18
279:14

breathed
113:13

breathing
11:17 33:10 36:4 92:21
98:18 110:18 152:15
187:24 259:13 266:3

brief

117:9

build
137:8

building
67:12 202:3

bulb
34:19

bulletin
15:17,22 91:8,12 115:19
141:20

bulletins
5:15,16,16 15:11,13,20
90:13 101:7,7 107:20
156:21,25 157:9 210:12
259:23 279:11,13

bunch
125:18 131:8

bundle
116:5 127:17

burners
218:17

burning

cakes

carbon

132:22,22

25:21 45:11 53:2 106:6
147:1,3 270:23 282:8,14
283:1,3,6,9 284:2

calandra
122:16,17,18 123:6,25
125:7

carbonless

calcium

25:21

217:13

carbons

calculate

17:1 106:6

carcinogen

272:20 273:8

calculates
272:14

California
130:24 197:11,12,16 198:9

call

193:13,16,18,21 196:16
198:8 199:1,4,5,6,11,11
200:7,14 202:19 203:5,6,8
203:9 204:3 209:3,10,20
210:2,23 211:14212:11,15
213:6,12,12 217:6 240:18

6:20 7:17 92:13 93:20
94:22 109:21 132:14 145:6 carcinogenesis
202:5,7 212:9
214:1 216:17

called

carcinogenic

5:6 9:18 22:6 33:23 34:6,9
198:20 199:16212:20
45:19 49:23 56:7,16 114:10
216:14
125:10 132:16 162:3
carcinogens
168:22 186:7
198:7,13,22,23,24 203:11

calling

cardiologist

17:19

162:15

calls

care

15:25 16:4,13

3:21 31:2 35:2 57:7 95:10

canaclor

cared

132:16

143:19

Canada

career

20:5

6:2 40:2

cancer

Carolina

21:10,14,16,16 168:12,19
168:22 180:11,17 186:6
193:23 194:6,13,21 195:7
195:15 196:2,3,3,4,7,9,12
196:14,20,22 197:2,13,17
197:19 198:2,17 199:25
200:2,3,9,11,13,16,25
201:2 202:20,25 203:2,4,6
215:16216:15,22 217:15

218:18219:18223:1
22:19 58:17 144:19 146:22 business
147:9 180:16 204:12 215:1
36:17,23 111:7 119:6 140:7
255:18
142:23 168:10 245:15,16
cancers
briefing
butter
22:3 201:4
139:9
20:14 198:17,18,21 199:3 capable
briefly
199:21
37:13 70:11 160:7 162:23
5:4 12:11 25:1565:14
buy
capacitors
78:17 110:3 137:25
182:18 197:12
10:17 23:16 24:12 25:5
bring
byproduct
32:12 150:15,25 158:3
125:13 183:10 198:22
223:1 257:4
167:15 220:12
265:24
byproducts
caps
bringing
267:4,5 279:2
97:25
139:5
capture
c
broad
137:4
cable
201:11
car
5823
broadside
95:5
caffeine
210:10
carbide
20:14
45:12 284:3

1:1 2:20

carolyn
1:1,1 144:16 154:22 206:5

carpenter
181:11

carpenters
181:1,6

carried
38:2 64:25 88:14 151:20
152:17 153:21 179:13
250:13 254:8 276:23

carry
218:12

cart
28:18

case
2:17 8:24 9:10 23:5 33:2,24
33:24 34:11,15 110:20
113:23 154:22 157:14
165:7 183:10 185:3 206:5
225:25 250:3 265:23

cases
16:7 33:14 34:10 46:9 48:8
65:20 67:18 75:8,9 108:4
115:8 153:5 161:14203:20

Kelly, R. Emmet M.D. (frmr Mons Med Dir) in FISHER (2)

WATER PCB-SD0000047633

[cases - chlorinated]
cases (cont.)
223:16 257:8,9,11,15,16
261:17,25 263:22 266:2,6
266:14 268:9

casting
25:19

catch
234:25

catches
24:7

category

cell
200:11,21

cells
62:16 200:10

centigrade
78:2 219:23,24,24 220:3,7
220:9

central
14:5,8 19:8 233:17

ceo
138:3

change (cont.)

chemistry

76:4,7 79:11 84:15,19
87:13,16 116:22

231:7

chemists

changed

19:23 85:25 86:1

chest

9:21,24 10:1 44:25 68:6
92:14 190:3

198:1

changes

Chicago

54:25 200:20 241:18
260:22

84:25

chief

changing

117:24

Chinese

9:22

chapter
133:1
20:22 22:16 37:7 53:20
100:4,6,8
chipping
77:17
50:3
63:1 64:15 84:16 97:13,24 characterization
causative
152:22 172:6,9 199:5
192:1,5 214:12 285:25
chloracne
234:16
214:19 219:2,22 221:10
characterize
13:8 30:5 31:25 32:9 34:14
cause
230:8 245:24 261:11 270:3
171:25
34:22 39:22 40:24 41:14,22
1:1,1 5:19 13:6,6,7 42:17
270:3
characterized
42:9,22,25 43:7,8,9,11,15
43:4,10 68:16 76:4 124:21 certainly
171:14
43:21,24 44:2 48:7 52:6
133:18 193:23 194:12,19
8:7 12:5 17:16,18 35:23
charge
65:12,20 67:8 68:15 69:3
194:24 195:7,14,21 196:2,7
36:1,5 37:8,20 44:22 64:9
122:19 138:6,7,8,9
108:1,4,10,13,17 109:2,10
196:9,12,13,20 197:2,13,19
100:11,14 106:17 143:17
Charlie
110:17 115:8 159:10 161:8
198:2,17 199:25 200:2
150:13 157:25 161:4 168:9
138:10
161:19 166:4 167:25 168:4
201:12 202:25 229:15,17
174:18 177:1,2,8 185:18
charred
169:22 170:18 171:5
244:5,19 253:5,21 254:15
190:7,10 192:15 196:21
231:8 234:20
173:20,25,25 174:2,11,14
197:15 199:2 204:7 209:21 chart
174:23 175:2 177:13,24
269:4 287:25
caused
209:24 211:24 212:19
105:18
207:13,18 208:15 212:4
26:18,22 27:23 28:21 31:12
213:2,19,22 222:19 235:4 check
223:16 227:15 229:15
32:1 43:21 65:5,6 76:6
236:14 239:25 241:20
106:11,11,12205:13
230:15,25 231:23,24,25
84:15,19 87:13,16 121:9
242:7,13 245:4,17 250:23 checked
234:17,17 236:2 237:24
238:11 239:1 243:6 244:19
161:3 163:18 168:19
255:10 276:15 278:7
33:13 247:12 270:9 271:4
177:12,18200:13201:8
279:10 282:15 284:8
checking
245:9 253:5,17 255:2
209:12 227:15 235:10,11
certificate
263:17 266:9
257:22 258:13,18,20,24
235:12 239:1 253:17
287:25
chemical
259:4,6,9,15 264:2,7,17
256:21,22 267:1,3 269:5,7 certificates
9:4,22 11:19 12:8,21 13:6
267:2,7,9,22,24 268:3
causes
75:21 84:9
15:17 18:11 20:1722:6,14
280:3
98:13 196:22 202:20
certified
33:10,25 39:23,24,25 40:4 chloracne's
271:12
4:5,7,9
40:5,9,13 46:8 65:21 92:5
174:6
causing
certify
92:13 130:8 144:20 145:3 chloracnogen
233:21 240:18
234:12 235:22
287:25,25
147:19 148:5,9,14,16,20
caution
cetera
149:3,9 165:19,22 166:8
chloracnogens
15:9 36:5,6 91:3 92:20 99:1
66:15 108:14 230:7 262:22
177:11 191:6,8,20 192:7
108:2
266:22 267:19 268:1
195:21 196:6 199:9,10
chlorcosane
116:8
61:9
cautionary
279:17
212:9,11,15,16 226:8,12,18
91:22 92:19,24 94:1 96:7
chain
227:1 229:1 231:2 233:24 chlorinate
97:1 194:1 210:11 244:7
234:3 236:6 244:3 248:16
46:21,23
121:11
245:13
chairman
248:17 265:22 274:22,24
chlorinated
cautions
9:18,19,20,25 22:22,23,25
138:3,5,11
chemicals
90:18 156:17,21
Chalmers
9:23 12:5 21:14 57:24
22:25 23:1,4,5,6,8,9,9,11
ceased
150:19
86:13 128:25 130:10,11
23:12,1345:14,14,1946:10
8:21 22:9 145:8 146:1
chance
159:18 188:21,24 189:5,15
46:11,13,14,17,23 47:18,19
cecil
100:21
189:20 191:18 196:1 226:5
47:20,21,22,25 53:14,15,21
51:2
chances
231:19 275:2
55:12,13,16,22 56:1,18,19
ceilings
6:15
chemist
56:21,22,22,25 57:17,25,25
231:6
change
88:11 286:24
58:1,7,11,1259:5 60:5,10
43:16 54:22 67:25 69:6
60:10,11,1361:8,14,19,20
71:22 275:1

certain

cats

Kelly, R. Emmet M.D. (frmr Mons Med Dir) in FISHER (2)

WATER PCB-SD0000047634

[chlorinated - compound]
chlorinated (cont.)
circumstances
61:20,23,24 62:5 63:1,3,4
215:11,23
63:17,21,24,25 64:1,4,8
city
66:14 67:14,16,22 94:4
18:21 82:13 287:25
97:19,21,22 99:2 107:24
claim
108:3 113:23 114:14 115:9
26:13,16 27:2,3 28:10
134:2,19 135:17,17,25
claimed
136:12,15,16,16 146:23
30:6
147:10,14,15,23 148:2,6,7 claiming
148:8,10,14,21,21 204:1,1
27:4
206:20,24 214:7,18,21
claims
215:3 218:12 221:23
27:8,11,1728:9,13,16
222:25 223:3,8,15 224:22
29:19,24 225:24
224:24 225:3 226:22,22,25 clarify
227:1,5,6,6 231:10 233:22
85:20 227:17
234:4,11 235:10,14,16,20 classification
236:1,11,14,19,25 237:1,3
101:20
237:5,6,23,25 238:6,20
clean
239:13,16 240:3,5,9,13
62:10241:17
264:19,19 272:6,8 273:7
clear
274:8,9,19 275:17,23 276:4
118:25
276:6,7,19,19,23 277:10,16 clearly
277:18
238:12
chlorination
clinical
23:4 53:15
9:4 42:2 161:12 162:7
245:9 250:7,24 252:6
chlorine
23:13 57:3,4 63:18,20
clinician
66:12 67:11 144:23 146:25
180:7
270:8,23 271:3 274:16
clophen
chlorines
136:18
142:17
close
chlornaphthalenes
78:2 211:23 263:17 266:9
237:25
closed
chlorobenzene
98:17
275:9
clothing
choose
98:19
85:12,23
clustering
chose
22:3
85:16,21
cm
chronic
93:12 95:22
26:4,18,22 27:22,25 28:22 coal
70:18 104:5,5 110:7,8
120:16
127:25 129:5 130:4 159:24 coat
cigarettes
152:24
201:18
coating
Cincinnati
45:24,25
70:20 76:13 77:1 107:1
cocoa
229:9
20:14
circle
coffee
36:23
197:7
circulate
cognizant
151:6
15:8
circulated
cold
216:13
263:23 264:10,22 265:8,15
circulating
266:4,15
67:17

collect
company (cont.)
29:3
156:11,24 159:3 160:15
collected
163:17,22 165:20,22 167:1
30:18 98:3
167:21 173:6 175:18
college
181:20 182:4,7,11,18
3:24 4:17 76:14,25
183:16 188:23 192:19
color
193:9,20 196:1,7 229:12
43:18,23
245:17
combination
company's
53:1 67:13
182:14,15218:19
combined
comparable
4:3
189:9
coming
comparative
65:3
271:4
comment
compared
142:25 172:19
150:8 188:5,20
commercial
compensation
135:18218:16
26:13 27:3,8,10 28:1,9
commission
compilation
287:14,25
184:23,25 252:2,8 264:15
commissioned
compilations
287:25
184:18
committee
compile
14:14 137:20,24 138:1,4,5
154:23 155:4
138:14,15,18,19 139:4
compiled
251:3,4,10
141:1 216:11
committees
compiling
19:22 138:13
265:1
common
complain
71:7 263:22 265:9,16,17,25
31:10,13 177:2
266:2,13
complained
commonly
249:2
72:14 207:2
complaint
communicate
172:11 247:17
277:17
complaints
communicated
28:16 29:25 30:5,25 31:24
35:12 103:8 218:25 232:19
32:9,18 33:6 41:4 172:18
238:10,12,23 244:10 258:5
247:24 248:3 269:20
258:9 279:21
complete
communications
62:10 182:6 218:20
185:8
completely
companies
14:1361:16 143:7 192:21
6:20 16:1 19:14,25 148:25
196:23 197:17
185:9 191:12206:18
compliance
company
21:6
1:1,1 2:21 3:4 5:16,17,21
component
6:17 10:9 14:12,21 16:18
248:2
17:13,15 21:24 22:6,7,14
comport
25:8 26:3,21,21 27:14
100:24 103:3
28:20,23 30:9 33:25 34:15 composed
39:24 40:4,5,9,13 45:12
19:13 45:13 60:8,9 82:12
60:20 83:20 88:13,17,21
compound
92:5,13,14 93:14,15,20
5:19 6:18,24 7:9 45:10,18
103:20,21 105:6,8 111:13
46:11 48:10 55:17 56:18,20
137:8 138:2,4,10,12,15
61:9 63:7,16,19,22 64:2,7
140:1 145:5 146:3 154:17
64:10 66:14 82:7,23 115:7

Kelly, R. Emmet M.D. (frmr Mons Med Dir) in FISHER (2)

WATER PCB-SD0000047635

[compound - corp]
compound (cont.)
conclusion
considerable
120:8,12,13 130:11 144:20
12:1 42:8 55:10,18 62:7,7
18:25 21:13 48:23 88:11
147:8,18 150:9 199:15
67:22 213:21 236:18
202:16
203:7 208:21 211:3 233:21
241:12 285:12
considerably
235:17 240:17,18,21 271:5 conclusions
148:3 177:5 268:18 284:9
compounds
41:13,21 80:24 81:4
consideration
6:19 45:17 48:3 60:21 61:6 condemned
120:23
86:12,14,24 88:12 107:10
155:25 156:2,4,5
considered
120:9 125:15 136:15
condition
12:6 133:20 155:16,22
191:15 192:14,16 212:20
34:3 40:23 132:13 203:3
162:7 198:20
239:13 240:2,3,19 243:17
241:25
considering
245:8 274:12,13,14
conditions
221:4
comprise
68:14
consisted
55:5
conduct
57:24
compulsory
73:1 243:8
consistent
21:7
conducted
79:15 92:9 175:4 220:13
computers
58:19 78:23 126:16 251:19
284:4
106:5
conference
consisting
conceal
16:6 64:23 81:15 82:8
180:3
127:5
104:15 114:22 256:1
consists
concealing
conferences
146:24
182:20
119:17 130:1,1
constantly
conceivable
confined
188:18
199:17
11:18 152:16 187:12
consultant
conceivably
confirm
3:12
87:17 119:9
consumption
93:1 108:1 121:11 200:12
204:2 209:3,10,15,16,18,19 confirmed
201:17 283:23
210:2,22 211:14212:14,18
221:23
contact
212:18213:5,13
confirming
7:14,15 11:17 35:25 87:10
concentrated
121:3
88:14 90:3,8 92:21 98:7,12
277:16
confused
104:9 107:14,21 110:14
concentration
68:20 131:2 204:7 274:17
113:14,22 157:3 163:20
62:12 64:24 66:10 68:4,23 confusing
193:19
69:5 78:20 104:14,24
38:25 66:8 173:24 190:12 contain
133:14 150:8 186:10,11,18 confusion
67:11 83:25 92:19 94:1
186:25 187:5,14 188:17
272:13
contained
189:6,22 191:8,19 192:9
conjecture
47:1361:3 83:14,16 89:15
241:19
210:15
95:24 180:25
concentrations
Connecticut
container
69:7 91:17 187:10 189:15
51:17
97:2 98:16 99:5
concern
connection
containers
182:16 220:23
21:8 62:4 147:12 250:4
98:2 99:10
concerned
consensus
containing
6:23 12:8 21:22 61:17
143:19
73:2 86:23 87:13 91:23
81:25 103:11 181:11 182:8 consent
101:21
182:9 185:2 193:2
254:9
contains
concerning
consequence
63:17,19 94:4 95:8 97:21
6:14 69:25 111:1 287:25
260:1 278:23
98:24 99:1 144:21
concise
consequences
contaminant
91:2
194:6,13,21 259:21
43:15 95:10 97:23 133:20
concisely
consider
134:20 166:13,19 175:5
90:23
33:3 56:8 104:6 155:6,17
177:12,15,20,22 199:10
conclude
160:23 181:4,23 182:20
208:21,24 210:1,21 212:10
62:5 230:24 231:22 232:2,6
183:1,6 198:8 199:6 202:11
212:16 213:5 214:8,18,21
concluded
213:3
222:25
79:15 133:25

contaminants
12:21 133:10 240:2
contaminate
143:21 155:17
contaminated
98:19 153:4 154:14,24
155:7 165:20 250:1
contaminating
153:7
contamination
94:24 186:8,10
content
92:8 206:19
context
108:15 188:22
continue
4:13 19:3 127:11 142:9,11
142:12 206:7
continued
70:3 257:25
continuing
32:13,23 38:19 43:6 58:25
155:10,14 191:23 206:6
226:1 256:13
contrast
119:5
control
90:5 141:21,25
controlled
95:2 98:5
controversy
287:25
convenience
92:16
convenient
116:13,16
convinced
44:2
cooked
132:25,25
cooking
133:15,16
copies
37:24 98:23 205:8 215:9
254:17
copy
52:20 54:5 92:17 94:15
106:7 121:24 127:17
205:12,23 215:5 222:8
255:5,7 256:2 258:8
cords
46:4
corner
205:5
corp
52:1

Kelly, R. Emmet M.D. (frmr Mons Med Dir) in FISHER (2)

WATER PCB-SD0000047636

[corporate - december]
corporate
counsel (cont.)
14:9 137:24,25 138:5 141:1
85:17 138:10 158:20
corporation
164:15 169:16 175:15,19
206:9 256:15 282:17
1:1,1 38:1045:11 83:8
93:15 96:24 105:9
285:14 287:25,25
corporations
counted
164:6
279:8
correct
countries
119:7
9:16 10:3,6,14 18:8 40:7,18
50:15 55:4 57:11,22,23
country
60:6,24 61:2 74:5,8 75:14
19:14
75:16 76:18 83:1,5,21,24
couple
84:8,11,18 87:19 96:14
18:22 19:7 20:16 33:5 34:6
99:8,11 102:22 107:4
55:21 115:13,14 119:12
109:22 110:1,2 117:5
course
118:16,25 120:21 123:24
4:3,14 114:6 133:5 152:23
134:3 145:17 146:8 151:12
153:2
151:13,23 154:15 156:13
court
156:14,18 157:13 158:9,10
224:4
160:12,13,22 165:11,15
covered
166:19 167:6,7 169:14,20
21:22
169:21,23,24 170:4,6,20,25 covering
171:16 172:3,7 175:20
46:2 49:4
177:19 179:18 183:13
cowan
184:14 186:14,19 188:14
1:1
188:15,24 190:22,23
cows
201:25 207:4 208:25 210:8
152:25 153:4
212:24 213:18 214:6,8,9
cranch
223:12 224:22,23,25
283:24
225:10,20,21 226:23,24
cranch's
227:12,16 230:3,10 234:24
283:21
237:7 238:1,3 239:2 240:7 create
240:23 241:24 245:19
218:22
247:6,22 248:14,19 256:21 created
260:22,23 271:14 272:7,11
90:20
274:24 281:24 283:14
creating
285:2,6 286:12 287:25
102:11
corrected
criticize
265:13
168:14,17
correctly
criticized
35:7 92:7 157:18 158:7
168:12
correspond
cross
237:4
1:1 38:7 144:12
correspondence
crow
17:2 90:13 153:23 236:17
113:16
correspondences
crown
89:9
33:24
cost
crude
49:25 57:6 142:16
41:3
costs
cubic
140:3,4
66:9 81:8,9,20,21 186:19
cotton
187:6,21,24 188:2,5,11
46:1
190:16 192:4
counsel
cuff
2:2,2 29:11 30:7 31:16
188:14 190:18
32:13 35:9 38:18 59:8

culprit
dates
234:11
131:3 167:22
cured
david
269:8,12,13
1:1 117:16 118:4 144:16
currently
davidson
3:21
1:1,1 2:12,14,18 29:6,7,13
customer
30:24 31:2,6,14,18,22
50:1,9 90:11 106:14 152:15
32:15,24 35:14 38:23 39:2
195:5 210:20 212:25 213:1
39:3 56:10 58:14 59:2
213:1,4,11 277:9,17 280:19
69:20 116:16,19,22 144:2
customers
152:12 154:20 155:2,9,12
5:126:4 14:1 15:15 16:10
164:3,8,13 166:20 171:10
30:5,9,16 31:25 32:10
171:13,20 172:5,10,14,23
75:22 90:14 94:25 103:10
173:1,12,14 175:6,21 176:3
103:11 141:16,20,24
176:8 179:19 180:12 185:5
150:14 153:11 154:5
189:24 191:22 192:11,23
156:23 157:2,7 185:10
194:7,22 195:17,22 197:9
209:22,25 210:10 212:23
198:15201:14206:3
219:12 222:25 243:22
207:25 208:3 210:3 212:2
244:10 245:11 259:1
214:10,15 221:25 223:18
262:23 277:14 278:12,15
224:6 225:22 226:11,14
278:25 280:9
227:17239:3 240:14241:5
244:11 248:20 249:17,22
d
250:15,21 251:6 253:22,24
dangerous
254:3 255:17 256:11
11:23 58:22
262:15 263:14 264:14,20
danville
265:1,5,10,16271:17,19
1:1,1
273:10 277:22 278:17
darn
281:18282:18285:3,8,11
176:24
285:24 286:7,13 287:4
data
day
29:1,3 30:18,19 60:2
36:1 68:8 82:5 176:16
126:24 127:2 182:25 183:5
188:1 208:9 287:11
183:20 184:2,4,7,10,15,18
days
184:19,20,23 185:1,13,16
1:1 6:16 8:11,18 34:17 36:5
185:17 186:3 197:21
41:3 45:24 70:13 71:19
211:20 213:9 222:9,21
124:19,20 259:5,6
239:15250:25 251:1,10,18
ddt
251:20 252:1,2 286:12
118:21 121:8
date
dead
39:16,17,19 80:7,7,9 86:9
173:17285:10
88:18 92:6,6,9 114:17
dealing
115:24 118:7 125:8 131:13
5:149:4 17:2 114:14
138:20 139:5 154:9 158:11
dealt
165:24 204:17,20 207:19
33:7 54:12 105:19
207:25 208:2,4 214:5 215:6
death
224:8 245:18,20 246:16
48:8 271:12
247:8 268:16,16,19 272:9,9
deaths
273:24 274:5 275:19,21
48:9,10 284:25 285:17,23
276:20,24 277:1
286:4,6
dated
decades
38:4 59:25 60:19,23 66:7
32:8 146:6
66:21 74:2 75:1 78:15,16
deceased
80:1 82:20,25 103:19
1:1,1 144:18
109:14 114:15 128:12
december
129:6 158:8 267:14
75:1,18 125:5,9

Kelly, R. Emmet M.D. (frmr Mons Med Dir) in FISHER (2)

WATER PCB-SD0000047637

[decide - dibenzofurans]
decide
department (cont.)
describe (cont.)
determine (cont.)
73:4 173:9,11 250:23
8:4 10:12 13:23 14:2,5,16
67:15 71:21 147:22,24
276:18
decided
16:24 17:7,24 18:1,2,19,21
187:8 199:1,3 209:8 280:14 determined
81:17 133:11
19:3,9,11 21:25 27:1330:4
280:14
199:21
decision
30:25 31:24 33:19 37:21,22 described
determines
143:14 244:8,12,14 260:11
38:14 68:12 73:16 74:7
11:9 28:9 35:15,20 65:15
199:20
decomposition
83:3 85:10 99:25 100:10,12
65:1684:7 113:9 118:10
determining
107:8 270:21
100:13,15,18 102:12,18,21
156:10203:25 211:13
72:15
decontaminated
102:25 103:23 105:6,11,16
224:20 230:17 232:23
develop
241:4,16
105:17,25 106:4 113:5
238:24 246:14 257:23,25
5:17 142:2,23 163:11
deep
115:20 117:24 121:14
267:1
234:17 250:20 258:18
39:1
122:4,9 123:21 125:24
describes
259:6 280:3,3
defend
127:10 128:19,23 140:13
39:21,22,22 240:11 262:7 developed
215:13,18217:20
141:19 143:3 185:18
describing
25:14 28:20 33:10,11 34:1
defendant
205:11 221:12,14 223:24
37:13 154:5 241:6 255:25
34:21 65:19 113:2,18 133:3
230:9 233:18 234:1 252:10 description
134:5 156:16 159:23
1:1,1,1,1,1 2:3,10,20
defendant's
278:19,20 286:25
49:10 144:19 146:22 147:9
169:22,25 184:13 216:9
departments
180:21 190:5
246:3 257:22 263:21 266:1
1:1
define
17:10 22:3
descriptive
266:10,12 267:6,21
5:17 65:17 151:25 157:1
department's
254:10
development
201:15231:3
142:5 143:6 220:1
designated
5:16 15:13,17 88:12 99:25
defined
depend
5:7 22:18 23:3
101:7 117:17 137:24,25
181:24
198:4
designation
138:5,14,18 141:1
definite
depended
47:23
developments
17:22 185:7 213:14 239:15
91:18
designed
130:17
definitely
depending
159:8 160:1,25 250:19
devise
223:5 274:8
21:2,2
destroyed
208:14
definition
depends
219:6,25
devote
202:12,24 231:7
17:1242:15 174:21 196:17 destroying
232:22
defrayed
196:18 233:14
219:7
devoted
21:17 50:6
deposes
destruction
8:6 9:2 53:19 161:14
degradation
2:10
218:21
di
120:5,5,18
deposition
destructive
9:24
degraded
63:18
diabetes
1:1,1 2:3,15 52:10 60:3
120:19
62:19 83:6 103:7 144:7
detail
201:21,24
degree
165:1 203:20 206:25 218:3
54:1 112:23 257:25 280:14 diagram
4:1,4 148:1
218:4 225:16,16 282:21
detailed
233:22 235:14,17 236:12
degrees
287:6,25,25
12:9,10 111:3 200:9
236:24 237:4
3:25 78:2 144:23 218:20
depositions
details
diagrammed
219:14,18,23 220:3,7,9
30:21
33:23 170:12 203:18 242:6
233:24 235:9,20 237:6,6
delaware
derived
253:19 286:2
238:24 243:9
179:16
detect
diagramming
1:1,1
delineate
dermal
26:4,18,22 27:22 28:20
236:5
277:2
85:1 86:22 181:3
43:9 108:13 109:9
diagrams
demonstrable
dermatergoses
detected
240:8
168:5 174:1
39:21
214:16
dibenzochlorinated
demonstrate
dermatitis
determination
133:12
64:18 98:22 130:4
104:8
155:23
dibenzofuran
demonstrated
dermatological
determine
135:17 222:13 234:4,4
158:4 167:16
43:8 133:4 161:2,5,6
28:24 30:10 31:11 35:6
235:15 236:9,25 274:19
deny
dermatologist
37:17,18 57:12 72:2,23
dibenzofurans
172:3 238:7 244:18,20,24
59:17 161:16,18,20
93:17 120:19 142:16 159:8
133:18,20 134:2,20 135:4
denying
dermatology
159:18,24 220:13 227:22
135:25 136:12,17 137:10
230:12
39:15 59:18 100:7
231:8 234:10 242:18 243:9
219:4 220:18 221:5,23
department
describe
246:12 249:20 250:14
222:4 227:5 231:11 244:4
5:23,2,14,15,20 6:8,11 7:22
30:17 39:20 52:23 65:14,17
251:19 252:25 253:2
277:16
Kelly, R. Emmet M.D. (frmr Mons Med Dir) in FISHER (2)

WATER PCB-SD0000047638

[dick - dr]
dick
diphenyl (cont.)
discovered
doctors
121:23
53:15 55:14,16,22 56:2,19
130:20,20
16:20 173:5 269:16
dictated
56:21,22,25 58:1,11 59:6
discovery
document
106:10
60:5,11,12,1361:8,19,20
225:16
38:3 100:9 102:11 115:4
die
62:6 63:4,17,21,24 64:1,4,8 discuss
116:1 139:23 160:14,16
25:19 283:16
97:19 128:1 222:18 224:22
137:21 176:10
176:23 204:21 205:8,25
died
227:6 233:22 235:16
discussed
206:4 214:4 215:4,5,6,25
126:2 205:22,23 241:3,20
236:19 237:1,3,5 239:16
111:14,20 122:14,16
224:8,10,16,18 233:25
diphenylbenzene
216:13
240:8 273:23,24 274:1,6
271:22 283:13,19,20
dielectric
22:24,25 23:9,11,13 46:14 discusses
275:20 276:20
15:18 23:21 24:14,22 25:4
47:20,22 58:1,8 60:10
225:17
documents
25:9 43:19,20,23 83:22
61:20,24 63:25
discussing
38:7 160:18,21 163:16
84:16 101:16,21 107:9
diphenylene
58:19 121:14215:2 262:18
205:3 214:3 263:24
110:1
235:16 272:1,5 273:2
discussion
dog
dielectrics
275:16 276:1
12:9 21:1351:24 106:21
77:18
226:7,9 237:19
diphenyls
144:6 172:20 215:19
dogs
diet
63:3 114:14 115:9
217:21 218:12
124:12,13,14 125:20 128:4
196:20 197:2
dipping
discussions
doing
difference
34:20,20 35:25 110:20
48:20,25 49:7,10,16 208:6
5:14 34:8 70:11 120:23
78:18 91:6,9 96:10 279:10 direct
disease
121:14 139:6 159:2 175:22
differences
1:1 2:11 87:20 99:21 100:3
5:17
178:17
96:10 147:18
102:4 111:10 112:11
dismiss
dollars
different
140:15 144:3 151:10
61:5
50:1
17:5 43:18,19,20,22,23
157:11,20 179:23 180:8
dismissed
don
45:18 46:17,18 60:21 73:9
188:19 205:2 212:21 214:2
172:2
229:1 236:17
78:14 86:13 97:5 107:9
223:25 224:20
dispensed
donald
124:4 125:14,15 138:16
directed
6:3 103:9
1:1
147:8,13 148:4 155:24
15:22
disposal
dose
159:1,15 179:4,16,22 190:5 direction
95:12,24,25 96:13 98:1
7:10 71:17,18 72:3,6,9,18
200:3 207:1 212:6 235:17
17:6 116:22
157:5 218:15
75:8 124:20,23 196:23
235:18 236:5,23 238:19
directions
dispute
198:3 273:16
243:13 249:24 251:25
102:9
273:23
dosing
265:21 279:4,16
directly
disregarded
198:25
differentiate
63:10 70:25 71:2 243:7
279:12
dotted
7:5
director
dissolved
19:10
difuran
3:14,16 5:8,25,5 6:20 7:20
71:25
double
223:8 236:15
7:22 13:23 20:1,19 25:23
distinguish
178:9
dioxide
26:8 27:1 30:4 31:23 36:9
203:8
doubt
276:2
36:10 90:16 93:1 106:8
distributed
55:23
dioxin
156:11,16 165:10 175:17
54:9 69:14 80:16,17 102:24 doubted
147:10,14 148:7,10,14,21
193:20 205:16
district
55:24
204:1,3 206:19,20,20,21,23 directors
doughnuts
1:1,1
206:24 207:1,20 208:7,20
19:13,17,18,21,25 138:11 divide
201:20
208:23 209:7,10,20 210:1,2
165:5 185:8,18
15:2
dow
210:21,22 211:3,13,14,19 disabling
divided
6:19 86:18 206:1,18 229:1
213:4,9 219:8 221:4 227:6
261:25 262:7,10,12 266:7
138:17
236:17
231:9 240:13 264:19 274:9
267:24 268:3,4,14,24,25
division
dr
274:23,25 276:7,23
280:7
2:13,15,21,24 9:10 26:2
1:1,1 200:22
dioxins
disagree
doc
29:18 30:3,15 31:22 33:18
203:13,14,17,22 218:25
35:14 179:11 232:10 250:8
273:10
34:13 35:11 36:8,14,15
219:12,17220:14221:1,8 disagreement
doctor
38:2,11 39:3,13 40:25 41:9
223:15 226:23,25 275:6,6
241:11
3:1 12:23 17:21 98:21
41:21 43:13 44:3,18 48:14
276:20
disappeared
108:24 144:9 174:5,24
49:12,18,25 50:16,23 51:4
diphenyl
44:2
175:1,1 179:7 200:8 269:20
52:12,24 55:6,11,11 56:13
9:18,20,25 22:25 23:1,2,8 disbelieved
269:25
56:13,14,16 57:9 58:2,18
45:19 46:12,13 47:18,20
69:7
58:19,21 59:3,12,24 60:20
Kelly, R. Emmet M.D. (frmr Mons Med Dir) in FISHER (2)

WATER PCB-SD0000047639

[dr - elicit]
dr (cont.)
drawer
earlier
efficiency
60:25 62:1,5,21 63:2 64:6,6
126:20
48:2 57:10,20 65:4 69:11
219:7
65:4,7,12,15,24 66:6,20
drawing
81:24 83:6,18 91:1 103:7
effluents
68:18,22 69:24 70:1 76:16
285:12
105:11 107:3 108:11 109:8
141:22,25
76:20 77:13 78:9 79:11,18 drew
109:24 181:23
egg
80:24 81:11 85:18 87:21
132:1,4
early
216:4 217:13
90:16 99:22 107:3 108:19 drink
6:158:11,17 11:14 13:2,12 eggshell
108:25 109:1,11,14 110:4
61:7 284:11
25:8 34:18 40:2 75:6 94:23
121:7
117:24 119:22 126:1
drinker
95:16
ehlers
130:12,24,25 136:23 144:3
13:16,21 49:18,25 50:16,23 earth
138:11
144:14 146:22 149:25
51:4 52:24 55:11 56:13,13
149:11,12,14
eight
150:14 152:20 153:6,22,24
56:16 57:9 58:2,19,21 59:3 easily
1:1 24:3 68:8 82:5 124:18
154:2 155:6 156:8,10,23
59:24 60:20,25 62:1,5,21
272:24
187:2 265:14,18 278:25
157:11,20 158:8,19 161:16
63:2 70:1 76:25 282:9
east
279:3,4,7,9,10,16 281:7
162:2 163:10,16 164:11,15
283:5,6 284:5,18
105:9 145:21,21 146:4,19 either
165:9,13,16 167:1,20 168:1 drinkers
159:6
8:6 10:4 16:4 22:8 33:18
168:11,24 169:7,10,13,25
51:1
eastern
37:1,7 46:22 54:23 56:3
170:3,11,24 171:4,18 172:2 drinker's
119:8
69:7 79:10 87:11 92:25
172:16,16,20,22 173:4,4,10
52:12 53:18 55:6 64:6
eat
117:17 123:4,7 134:25
173:13,18 175:2,11 176:5
116:7
98:17 199:8
162:25 164:14 201:8
176:19 177:12 178:11,20
dripping
eaten
202:21 219:8 220:21
178:24 179:6,13,22 180:1,6
36:3
152:24
221:14228:16236:17
180:10,14,17 181:10
dropped
eats
238:17239:12243:15,17
184:15 185:12,25 186:5
71:24 78:11
201:20
244:17 245:6 250:22 257:4
190:1 192:6 193:2,9 194:18 drs
eck
267:4 286:20
195:19,25 196:25 198:12
44:11
138:7
elaborate
199:7,12,19 201:7 202:19 drug
economics
15:11 31:1948:4 71:14
203:5,12 204:9,14 205:10
123:2 155:20
193:2
101:5 116:15
205:25 206:13,17 207:20
drum
ed
electric
209:6,8,16,22 210:13
95:4,5
143:23
24:2 25:1,6 30:15,22 51:25
211:22 212:8,21 213:16
dry
educate
83:19 93:14,15 96:23 105:8
214:2,17217:18,25 218:11
102:13
141:24
108:14 150:18,19 163:18
219:16 222:10 223:14
due
effect
164:22 165:6
224:4,18 225:6,11 226:8
43:15,16 166:12 171:2,3
68:5 90:9 113:22 125:1,1
electrical
227:8 228:7,9,18 229:8,12
184:13 198:24 237:24
170:9,22 171:2 183:19
10:16,20,24 11:3,8,24
230:24 231:22 232:2,22
238:11 243:7
231:24 259:16 269:7
23:15,22 24:11 29:24 32:11
233:5,19,20 234:5,8 237:20 duly
282:11 283:3,4,5
59:6 99:20 100:2 108:5
238:7,21,25 240:4,22 241:6
287:25,25
effectively
158:3 165:8 166:23,24
241:9,12,23 243:5 246:3
duplicate
141:21,25
167:14 183:24 184:12
247:25 248:1,22 250:8,11
136:25
effects
185:3 244:6 245:15
250:22 251:15 252:11,20
dupont
6:1 10:19 15:10 16:15
electric's
253:13,23 254:4,8,17 255:1
6:19 86:17
29:25 30:6 31:12 32:1,10
82:23
255:15,20 256:4 260:5,9
dust
32:21 33:1,4 48:19,21 65:5 electron
261:16,24 262:6 263:24
92:22
90:3 104:9 127:5 133:25
137:4
268:2 269:3 270:7 271:21 duties
139:10 151:21 159:9,10
elemental
272:5 273:19 274:6,11
4:24 5:10 156:10,15
161:2 163:18,24 165:8,17
270:22
275:15 276:13 277:24
dying
166:5,16,18 167:3,24 168:5 elements
280:10 281:15 282:7
124:18
168:25 170:1,3,6,20,25
75:10 120:8
284:13 285:9,13,14 286:10 dyspnea
171:9,14,15 179:1,9,12
elevated
286:18
262:3 263:23 264:9 265:7
184:6 195:16,20 216:14
11:18 33:11 36:2 79:2,4
draft
265:15,23 266:3,8,14
227:16 229:18,20 231:1,23
90:6 110:18 113:13 151:19
90:5 157:23
245:25 247:22 249:20
152:16 187:12220:25
e
drafted
250:19 251:20 253:21
242:2 259:13 279:15 281:4
eagle
157:24 158:11
258:20,24,25 259:4,8 261:1
281:7,17,20
143:20
drank
261:10 268:13 269:4
elicit
eagles
284:8,23
279:12,20,22,25
160:1
119:21
Kelly, R. Emmet M.D. (frmr Mons Med Dir) in FISHER (2)

WATER PCB-SD0000047640

[eliminating - excuse]
eliminating
enthusiastic
142:17
269:24
elmer
entire
18:3 105:5,22 106:1 109:15
55:5 154:21 155:12 175:7
121:23 126:6,7 140:14
175:10 179:7 206:5 225:23
153:24 205:9 223:22
244:1 256:13
224:11 228:24 232:10,13
entirely
232:23 233:25 235:9,19
46:18 62:9 147:8 165:12
243:8 267:11,12,14
250:3
emmet
entitled
99:19 282:18
1:1,1 2:8,15,23 228:7
287:10,25
entry
employ
95:11 97:25 98:5
50:16 161:23 162:5,10,15 environment
162:18,21 163:2,4,5 260:11
5:4 95:2,11 98:1,6,11
employed
116:25 117:3,12 119:11,16
3:3,7 37:2 161:20 162:23
119:25 120:14,15 121:3
163:6 164:7 179:7 287:25
130:19,21 131:7 143:16,21
287:25
144:25 201:9,13,16,19,21
employee
202:17
21:17 99:18 287:25
environmental
employees
94:22,24 95:7,10,23 96:11
5:4 6:23 19:10,21 20:13,21
97:23 139:11
21:1,9,11,22,23 137:20
environments
160:19,19 162:13 173:6,7
162:4
employer
enzyme
5:23 150:16
215:14216:2 217:11
employment
enzymes
5:8 32:8
215:15217:9,10,11
enclosed
epa
110:6 118:5
197:10
ended
epidemic
19:6 217:13 274:19,20
44:2 125:19 211:24 212:3
endocrinologist
epidemiological
162:21
169:6,9
enforced
epidemiologist
189:25
168:2
engage
epidemiology
50:16
28:4
engaged
episode
58:2
33:3 161:9 166:10 169:19
engineer
eppenberger
18:11
1:1 287:25
engineering
epw
111:16
205:9
england
equipment
9:1,5,8 34:12,16 126:18
10:16,20,24 11:3,8,24
english
23:15 24:5,11,20 32:11
8:5 9:6 97:6,14 235:17
137:1
enhanced
error
133:13
60:14,15
enlighten
errors
207:14
232:21
enormous
eruption
147:18
90:5

escape
exactly
95:1
188:21 189:9 283:24
especially
examination
142:10
1:1,1 2:11 12:1921:438:7
essentially
42:2 55:1 144:3,12 151:10
87:17
157:11 160:17,22,24,25
establish
161:12 162:8,24 179:13
81:12
188:19 205:2 212:21 214:2
established
224:20 235:5 250:9 251:1
14:6 26:2,3,20,21 29:2 81:5
251:23 252:6 268:3 287:25
104:15 109:9 113:11
examinations
190:13,15,16 191:2
1:1 20:21,24 30:1 43:8
establishes
158:16 161:5 185:2,14
171:5,8
247:5
establishing
examine
5:15
42:4,6 159:1 161:5,13,21
estate
161:23,25 162:1,6,10,15,19
162:22 251:16
1:1,1 144:17
et
examined
66:14 108:14 230:7 262:22
1:1 2:9 21:1 42:1 134:24
266:22 267:19,25 279:17
159:12,12 160:6 161:17
ethyl
173:6 178:2 220:15 248:12
282:8,14 283:2
251:13,15 252:9 287:25
europe
examining
119:3,5,7,8 130:20
142:17 175:13269:16
european
example
20:6 117:18 134:24 135:5
75:12 128:13 180:23
evaluating
218:24 259:2
260:12
examples
evaluation
33:5 35:6 51:12 198:21
135:17
exceed
event
187:23 188:17218:20
225:18,19
exceeded
events
219:5
225:17 227:22
exceeds
eventually
150:1
25:10 131:11 133:10,16,24 excellent
155:20
5:7,5 255:2
everybody
exception
21:6,22 44:3 51:18,23
42:20 66:22 96:25 167:25
116:19 197:15
168:4 177:17 263:23 265:7
everyday
265:11 266:3,14
187:16
excerpt
evidence
215:3
27:20,24 30:8 169:14,15
excerpted
173:15 175:10 200:6
218:1
213:14,25 238:16 257:21
excessive
258:12
7:9,10 90:7 113:21 198:25
evidentiary
258:17 285:16,22 286:4,6
exchange
1:1,1
evolve
65:23
5:22
excluded
evolved
173:15,16
90:1,6
excuse
exact
233:5
204:20

Kelly, R. Emmet M.D. (frmr Mons Med Dir) in FISHER (2)

WATER PCB-SD0000047641

[executive - family]
executive
expect
exposed (cont.)
f
14:14 137:20 138:14,17
57:4 124:17 187:14 286:5
166:4 169:20 171:6 178:25 fabric
216:10
expected
180:2 184:1,6,12 185:16
46:1 49:4
executrix
285:1,17
187:2 197:16 219:3 223:17
fabricate
expenses
231:2,4 241:16248:15,17
1:1,1 144:17
126:24 127:1
exhaust
50:5
259:3 263:6 279:6 280:11
faces
110:24
experience
280:21 283:22 284:7 285:1
42:5
exhaustive
6:23 88:12 111:6,14,17,22 exposing
facet
115:6
111:25 112:2 238:6 245:9
66:11
6:2
exhibit
experienced
exposure
facets
230:6 249:11 267:17
7:10,16 9:5 13:7 21:3 26:14
1:1,1 39:11,12,1344:7,11
139:12
45:4 52:11,19,20 53:12,17 experiencing
26:19 27:5,18 28:10,24
facilities
53:17 55:4,5,13,13 59:20
56:1
29:20 34:2 65:6,13,16
126:12
59:22 60:3,17,17,18 62:4
experiment
66:25 67:2 71:19 75:11
fact
62:19 65:8 66:5,18 68:10
124:12,22 241:6 254:6
77:15,16 82:6 90:1 107:24
17:3 28:1530:1631:10
69:12 73:23,23,24 74:23,24 experimental
148:18 163:19 166:18
37:19 60:11 94:3 108:18
76:9 79:23 82:22 84:22,22
89:25 257:20
167:4 187:5 196:18 197:20
113:19 143:23 153:25
84:23 87:23 92:2 93:8,9
experiments
198:5 199:17 200:5,5 220:5
155:18,19,21 165:10,16
94:8,9,11,13,15,20 95:18
63:19 246:18
239:1 247:13 258:15,21
166:17 173:13 174:2
95:20 96:16,18 98:23 99:15 expert
262:12 263:25 264:18
185:12 245:2,14 272:14
99:15 100:4 101:10 103:17
201:2 203:1 240:1
280:18
factor
105:3 109:12 112:12
expertise
exposures
121:8
115:17 118:2 121:21 125:2
86:3 150:4 227:3 231:12
107:18 111:21
factors
127:19,20 128:8,9 129:3
243:16 278:9
express
71:11 171:3 241:23 242:9
130:14 131:4 135:13
experts
12:22 220:23
242:13
168:16
extension
137:15,22,23 140:19
facts
157:14 158:8 165:1 169:10 expires
46:4
100:11,14 101:8,8 175:9
169:13 204:13,15,15 205:5
287:14,25
extensive
215:11,23
214:4 224:3,5 229:25 246:6 explain
91:12 94:3 99:7 174:16,17
fahrenheit
252:12,13,14 255:19,22,24
45:5 47:3,4 49:21 54:20
245:18 246:17
218:20219:14,18
264:4,5,11 267:9,9 273:11
71:15 72:7 77:21 78:17
extra
failed
exhibited
150:7 183:2 186:17 187:18
19:7 123:9,10
220:16,24 221:7
264:8
187:20 236:7 247:21 248:4 extract
fair
exhibiting
282:15,18,25
274:12
200:24 201:5,7 214:20
160:2
explained
extracted
240:9,13 242:1 246:1
exhibits
37:23 283:5
270:22
fairly
1:1,1 39:7,10 76:10 77:14 explaining
extracts
25:20 77:19 122:12
80:25 82:17 84:12 87:21
281:18
270:23
faith
107:2 157:12
explanation
extraordinarily
1:1 2:4 287:25
exist
22:20 104:23 200:9 282:17
240:23 241:12,22 243:23
falcon
148:11
exploding
244:2,25 273:18
143:20
existed
262:24 263:3,6,11
extraordinary
falcons
8:17 12:1468:14
explosion
241:15
119:21
existence
231:5,20 233:15 236:7
extrapolate
fall
146:10
242:14 245:4 257:3,5
70:25
71:22 101:17 143:2
existing
262:21 267:6,8,22 268:9,12 extreme
falling
80:21
268:24,25 274:14
95:10 242:4
202:3
exists
explosions
extremely
falls
207:13
262:20 265:21
202:18 241:9
187:16
expand
exposed
eye
falsifying
142:9 181:18
6:1 10:20 25:24 27:21
74:17 75:10
286:11
expansion
30:10 38:15 39:24 40:11
eyes
familiar
116:8
48:3,22,25 53:20 66:10
71:24,25 98:13,20
88:16 183:12218:13
expansive
68:5,8 69:4 79:1 158:13,17
222:14260:15,17,19
254:10
159:4,18 160:2 162:6,11,16
family
162:19 164:6,16 165:1,17
5:9
Kelly, R. Emmet M.D. (frmr Mons Med Dir) in FISHER (2)

WATER PCB-SD0000047642

[fao - formed]
fao
287:23
far
6:23 12:7 21:21 69:9
184:20 185:1 243:16 268:8
283:3
farmers
154:14,18
fast
216:16 258:18
fat
120:1 149:18,22 150:1,8,9
150:11,13201:20
fatalities
32:20
fatigue
229:21 230:6,16 232:3
248:18 249:12 264:4,8
266:17,21 267:18,25
279:17
fda
86:20 123:6,15,16,22
127:11 128:15 129:16,20
fearful
182:17
feasibility
142:16
feathers
117:12 120:1
feature
148:19
february
53:19 114:18 118:8
fed
72:2
federal
82:14
feeding
13:16 53:1,5 70:20 124:10
124:17
feedstuffs
98:7,16
feel
50:3 222:20 258:7 261:11
269:23 270:3
feeling
176:12 177:3 178:6
feet
24:3
fell
5:12 101:19
fellow
4:16 236:8
felt
17:22 143:18

fermenting
fire
flushing
153:11
23:25 24:1,7,8
98:20
field
fires
focus
28:4 29:24 54:10 72:11
203:12,15,22
10:15227:14
82:3
firm
focused
fields
161:1
1:1,1 2:18,20 208:13
86:4
first
focusing
fifth
3:8,15 4:21,24 5:6 6:13
284:13
69:4
9:25 15:6 21:16 22:14,21
fold
fifty
23:2 37:18 41:10 44:12
5:6
86:7
61:5 64:11 80:5 87:22
follow
figure
89:15,25 90:11 93:25 98:10
99:4 248:15 270:11
145:17
98:23 102:13 111:9 117:1 followed
figures
118:19,25 119:24 122:7
90:19,24 91:17 245:13
69:7 189:9
131:16,20 137:5,22 141:6
279:23
file
169:13,17 173:24 177:17
following
38:4 106:7 233:1,8,9,13,14
178:14 179:11 183:22
22:19 29:5 35:7,21,24
233:15,17 252:7 255:11
184:9 187:9 189:8 193:12
106:20 140:24 177:23
filed
208:13211:10213:7 214:7
247:5 264:1 267:21 271:2
26:13 27:3,9
214:15,17,20 215:10216:3
274:15
files
219:20 223:3 225:2 229:25 follows
163:17,21
231:3 233:19 235:14 241:3
218:14271:5
fill
252:21 257:19 260:9
food
73:13
270:15 273:25 275:22
98:7,15 104:6 121:11 123:2
filled
276:12 279:3 287:25
130:10 132:21 155:19
34:18,19
fis
201:17
filling
139:16 140:17
foodstuffs
34:21 158:4 167:15
fish
198:19
final
121:10
footnote
100:12 123:13,14 129:4,12 fisher
54:13 80:4
129:17 130:3
1:1,1,1,1 2:179:10 144:17 force
144:17 154:22 157:14
109:2
finally
38:1 43:24 118:23 133:8
206:6 225:25 287:23
forceps
financially
fishes
34:24
287:25
120:1
ford
find
fitzhugh
17:13,15 111:15
10:17 22:4 35:20 50:9
123:20
foremost
79:14 80:23 113:25 117:19 five
233:2
118:16,24 124:18 134:3,5
32:6,20 65:22 142:17
forenoon
135:3,4,24,25 136:11,13
149:17 196:20 197:1,6
1:1
160:8 161:18 162:9 168:19
218:5,6 285:9,13
foresaw
172:17 197:14 227:3
flake
280:2
231:13 239:15 243:15,17
153:9
foresee
260:12 281:4,7,16 286:5
flammable
181:10280:1
finding
24:6
forestalling
119:25 121:2 124:9 168:12 fluid
287:3
findings
17:14 23:22 24:5,6,15,22
form
119:10 131:1,17 196:22
25:4,9,17 83:23 84:16
11:1 42:8 71:11 112:5
fine
110:1 151:2,4,10,15,18
126:14218:23
29:14 32:15 34:8,9 41:25
152:2,4 220:8 258:16 259:3 formalized
57:5 58:16 159:16 178:22 fluids
123:4,5
180:15 233:12
25:18 78:25 94:24 101:16 formation
finish
101:21 113:9 151:15
240:2
171:12250:9
152:11 157:4 158:5 167:17 formed
finished
flurry
221:3 231:19 257:3 275:6,8
73:11 195:18,22,24
118:19 119:17
Kelly, R. Emmet M.D. (frmr Mons Med Dir) in FISHER (2)

WATER PCB-SD0000047643

[forming - good]
forming
5:13
forms
97:24
formulation
73:9
forth
16:14
forty
3:12
forum
19:17
found
29:25 35:23 63:23 66:9
99:9 107:12 117:11,12
119:15,23 121:10 127:5
130:21,23 135:3 136:3
137:9,12,13 153:9,10,16
160:6,11 166:12 168:15,21
185:15,15211:2 219:4
221:14 222:4,22 231:9,10
236:14 272:10 283:8
foundation
12:18
four
19:6,7 66:11 74:20 75:9
102:5,20 119:7 135:21
149:20 175:24 211:22
229:6 230:12 246:14
268:17 270:7,12 271:5
fourth
34:15 139:16 157:21
fraction
136:17 197:6
fractures
5:14
frailey
206:13
frame
121:5 189:21 199:23
frames
13:11
france
134:25
frankly
102:2 203:23
frawley
206:14,15,17
free
115:4
french
136:18
frequently
5:21
friendly
111:8

front
gaskets
give (cont.)
28:19 39:9,17 76:17 97:2
242:8
143:9 144:19 146:22 147:9
full
gastric
155:10,14 180:21 211:8
2:22 3:11 19:8,20 77:1
34:1
226:1 264:3 285:19
89:11 182:1 194:20 257:19 gastroenterologist
given
270:15
163:2
13:25 35:6,8,22 62:10 76:2
103:5 107:18 183:7 203:20
fully
ge
37:23 49:11
24:13,15,16 51:15 52:8
210:20 214:3,4 287:25
fumes
55:25 84:3 185:19
gives
7:13 77:24 98:18 152:15
gear
74:15,16,17 115:5 131:8
function
278:9
202:3 266:23
5:9 41:2 42:2
general
giving
functions
17:17,18 25:1,6 30:15,22
20:24 53:1 121:24 178:18
34:5 156:11
51:24 82:23 83:19 90:15,18
271:8
funded
93:18 103:4 108:14 138:9 glance
61:1
150:18 160:21,24 163:17
100:21
funding
164:22 165:5
gloves
50:14
generalization
181:1,7,12,14,17 182:5,8
furan
198:15
182:19
146:23 147:15,23 148:2,6 generally
go
148:22 204:1 223:4 235:10
13:10 52:23 81:3 100:24
6:8,25 8:9 12:23 29:10
235:20 236:1,11 237:6
103:12
35:16 41:18 42:12 47:9
240:9 272:6,8 273:7 274:23 generation
50:8 56:11,15 84:12 91:7
275:17
128:5,11
104:23 107:5 112:15,23
furans
generic
124:17 125:10,12 126:3,8
133:12 134:19 214:7,18,21
101:15,19
130:17 135:9 137:7 140:1
215:3 218:13,24 219:12,17 genes
141:3 144:4 163:6 167:7
220:14,25 221:8,14 222:25
215:17217:15
170:7,13 174:5 180:15
223:15 226:22 234:11
genesis
189:12 195:19211:25
240:5 264:19 274:8 275:23
216:7
243:16 254:14 261:7,14
276:5,6,19 277:10,19
genetic
270:17,19 282:19,25
furnish
202:1
god
5:5
genetics
137:4
further
201:8,13 202:17
goes
44:24 62:24 175:15 215:18 gentlemen
17:13 50:2 98:9 234:5
217:21 236:20 237:21
111:21 205:19
236:16 260:18
287:25,25
george
going
future
126:3,3
6:10,12 7:12 19:1 24:8
139:7
gerard
29:14 36:19 49:23,25 50:9
1:1 2:12,18
50:1257:3 58:14 61:7 91:4
g
german
91:14 112:20 116:14
gadget
257:9,11 263:22 266:2,13
121:12 122:15 123:8
34:24
germany
124:11 125:10,18 130:10
gain
134:25 135:1 225:18
130:18 132:21 139:25
62:15
226:14 227:19,23 228:11
140:3,7 152:5 154:20 155:9
gallon
229:6 235:12,23 236:7
159:23 166:20 171:24
95:4
253:10 279:6
180:12 191:22 196:18
galvanized
getting
200:8 206:3,7 220:4 222:6
69:3 142:20,22 153:17
225:22 254:13 266:24
gaps
154:3,6 156:7 193:18
275:3 278:8 282:21
73:12,13
207:18 229:4
gonads
garments
gillis
247:15,18 248:5 249:6
qn-7
138:8
good
garrett
give
2:13,14 3:20 23:21 24:7,8
1820
5:22 22:19 33:5 36:6 51:12
35:1 42:1,3 50:9 67:4 68:12
garth
72:9 78:7 97:10 120:22
69:21 78:25 106:20 126:21
123:20
Kelly, R. Emmet M.D. (frmr Mons Med Dir) in FISHER (2)

WATER PCB-SD0000047644

[good - hereto]
good (cont.)
143:18 144:14,15 150:4
179:14,14 180:7,13 185:24
208:19 227:2 284:11

goodness
56:24

gospel
238:15,22

gotten
263:9 268:8

government

guess

happened (cont.)

health (cont.)

34:17 52:9 54:17 93:21
134:12 144:1 242:14
102:2 105:1 115:13 121:19
260:19
128:4 134:12,14 173:10
happening
181:19
188:25 205:12

guide
101:25 113:11,18 114:11
114:13,20 115:11

guides
116:6

gunk

happens
55:2

happy
14:10 176:17 207:9 215:4
285:19

168:7 173:22 183:19 184:5
207:9,15211:1,7,15227:16
229:17,20 230:25 231:23
232:23 234:12 235:11,12
235:22 236:2 245:25
247:22 250:19 251:20
253:21 258:20 259:8 263:2
263:6,10 264:2 279:1,4,7

healthcare

hard

173:19 174:9
64:23 65:2 86:20 119:18
231:8,8 234:18,20
39:17
healthy
128:18 129:16,18 168:2
gutters
harm
62:14 125:18
189:17 191:13 195:6
49:2_____________________
5:19 7:9 79:3 90:25 143:15 hear
197:23 281:24 282:1 287:3
harmed
17:24 133:6
h
governmental
254:13
heard
hair
16:6 81:15 82:9,12 104:15
harmful
11:5 22:17 55:24 113:20
117:13
114:22 115:4 211:1,7,15
133:8 223:8
98:11

grain
197:6

grains
197:6

gram
271:6,10 272:17

grams
272:16

grant
37:7

granularity
62:16

gravel
120:17

great
278:23

greater
149:22 173:22 271:6,10

greene
1:1

greensboro
1:1 2:19

gross
55:1

grossly
54:23

group
19:20 50:17 53:19 70:1
82:11 115:4 117:14221:20

groups
19:22

grow
19:3

grown
201:6

growth
200:10

half

58:15 72:9 81:19 88:22,23
180:5,18,18,23 181:4,9,23
181:24 182:12,21 183:1,6
183:21 184:8,14 186:4
256:10

halfway
124:23

halowax
45:6,21 46:2,6,20 47:3,6
48:3,19,22 49:4,22,25
50:10 52:1,1 55:25 56:21
58:22 61:15

halowaxes
47:12,13 50:3 53:3

hampshire
18:14

hand

harmless

hearing

62:9

55:18

harvard

hearsay

48:15 50:24 76:24

35:10 38:6,16 41:15 43:5
47:8 48:13 56:9,10 59:1,10
108:22 109:7

hasten
125:23

hats

heat
25:20 33:7,25 34:11 65:23
78:1,3 132:18,24 133:14,15
151:4 220:6 258:15,16
259:3

138:16

hazard
7:6,10 20:15 148:17,19
158:5 167:17

hazardous

heated

67:23

77:25 78:13 133:2 219:21

heating

hazelton

151:7

126:19

hazlett

held

36:14,15 37:19 108:19
109:1

25:3 208:6

92:17 94:13 98:22 204:14
head
205:5 224:4 255:22 287:25
33:1851:15,15 123:18,19
handbook
184:21,22 202:10
189:18

handle
104:11 143:25 158:5
167:16

handled
6:5 14:16 62:8

handling
5:14 13:25 14:23 15:2,5,6
17:9 37:11 64:15 88:16
90:12,17 97:1 98:10 99:19
101:1 102:9 103:5 115:20

hands
34:20,25 35:25 46:6 49:2

110:21

happen
24:18,21,25

happened
42:19 44:4 67:21 121:4

headaches

helmes
1:1

helms
2:19

help

178:8 262:4 264:10 265:23
50:4 143:22 181:6 205:19
266:8
henry
headquarters
37:6
16:20
hepatitis
health
13:6 33:10
3:19 10:19 16:23 25:23
herb
26:4,8,22 27:22,25 28:21
123:19 127:22
30:6 31:12 32:1,10,21
herbicide
33:18,19 38:20 41:22 48:4
207:21,22
48:6,16,19 50:24 51:16
hercules
59:16 62:11 68:12 102:14
206:1
109:9 112:18 113:16
hereditary
153:21 158:12,24,25 159:2
201:23
159:4,7,9,15,17,21 160:1,3 hereto
160:11,23 163:18,24 165:2
287:25
165:17 166:16 167:3,24

Kelly, R. Emmet M.D. (frmr Mons Med Dir) in FISHER (2)

WATER PCB-SD0000047645

[hereunto - incident]
hereunto
287:25

hexachlorodiphenyl
109:23

hide
177:10

high

house
24:3 70:9

household
45:25

howard
103:22

how's

imagine

hygienic

222:20

113:10,18 114:11,13,20
115:11 116:6

immediately

hygienist

153:18

16:22 17:4 18:14,17 80:18
105:19 106:10 111:6

hygienists

139:12 220:16,24

hits
202:10

hmo
5:9

hoffman
204:17,23

hofmann
228:18

hold
94:8,10,14 96:3 99:13

honest
56:24 185:24

honorable
254:12

hormonal
217:12

hormone
215:14216:2

horse
28:19 173:17

hospital
230:13 233:4

hospitalized
33:2,12

hot
36:3 46:2 49:3 78:11 220:6

hour
58:14 139:14 180:12 187:2
256:10

hours
1:1 68:8 82:5

hundreds
145:12 189:2 224:1 282:3

hunt
126:1 205:17

hurry
204:10

hurt
7:12 155:18

husch
1:1 287:25

hydraulic
17:14 25:17,18 78:24 151:2
151:9,15,15,18 152:1,4,11
220:8 258:16

hydrocarbon
67:16

hydrocarbons
53:21 63:1 67:14,22 94:4
99:2 107:24 113:24 144:21
270:9 271:3 274:16

hydrochloric
221:3

hydrogen
144:22 270:23

hydrogens
147:1

hygiene

162:13

immunologist

67:13,16 68:24 90:2 124:21
261:7
8:14 16:7 19:7 37:3 64:23
124:21 218:15
huh
65:2 77:3 81:16 82:4,9,13
higher
67:9 206:16
93:2 104:16 114:23 191:13
133:10,12
human
highly
71:1 115:7 149:1,4 200:7
i.e.
130:4 218:24
252:20,24 253:2,7 254:9
230:6 267:18
hill
260:6,11,15 261:3
ibt
153:22,24,24
humans
87:12 122:2,22 124:2
hired
132:21 161:25 195:15
125:25 126:10,15,21,23
286:25
196:3,4,7,9,12,14 200:3
127:1,5 129:25 245:19,23
histories
216:5
246:4,16,19 248:8 286:11
185:3 280:25
hunch
286:19,19,22
history
213:11
idea
113:10 115:7 161:12 178:3 hundred
15:16 35:1 159:16 166:2
179:5,14 255:2 280:11,13
44:17 58:7 71:24 115:14,15
207:10 209:11 284:11
280:17,20
248:1

hit

immunological

identical

162:10

impact
173:22

implement
77:2 142:2

implemented
28:23 30:9,13,17,21 38:22
41:17

implementing
143:10

implied
82:11

imply
272:25

important
99:4 106:14 202:18 245:11

impossible

136:15

30:14 38:10

identification

impregnate

63:4 119:1 135:16

45:23

identified
60:4 109:24 118:23 157:12
214:3 226:21 279:7

identifies

impregnated
46:2

impregnating
49:2 158:3 167:15

59:5

impressed

identify
39:12 53:17 59:23 60:18
62:19 65:9 66:5,19 73:24
74:23 76:11 79:23 82:17
84:23 87:24 92:3 93:8
95:20 96:20 99:16 101:10
103:18 105:3 109:13
112:13,25 114:12 115:17
118:3,22 121:21 125:3
127:20 128:9 129:3 131:5
135:14 137:17204:15
226:25 242:16 255:24

identifying
65:5 205:20

illinois
84:25 85:13 146:13,19
159:6

illness

126:21

impression
142:18

improperly
239:5

improved
44:1

impurities
223:15 226:10,19,21
227:11,15,15231:2,19
238:17,24 241:7,13 242:10
242:18 243:9 244:9 245:6
246:13 248:16,17 249:21
256:21,23 262:13,14
263:25 264:18 267:1,4
277:25 278:12,16,18,18
279:1

impurity

27:12 159:19 161:15
8:6,20 9:7 16:21 18:3,15,24
133:21 235:10,22 236:21
162:14 163:1 168:5 184:13
37:22 49:8 51:1 52:15 54:3
236:22 237:22 238:10
201:8,11,13202:4,5,10
54:8 62:22 79:21 80:2,14
240:23 243:5,23 244:19,25
252:10 279:19 281:14
80:20 82:1 105:8,17 107:7
245:2 257:1,2,4
illnesses
111:7 113:12 114:2 115:3
incident
5:12,16,8 120:2 158:18
33:16 40:8,16 44:12 69:1
160:6 185:7

Kelly, R. Emmet M.D. (frmr Mons Med Dir) in FISHER (2)

WATER PCB-SD0000047646

[incident - interchangeably]
incident (cont.)
132:9,12 134:1,8 175:25
227:18 229:13,15,17
256:20
incidents
35:5,20
incinerating
142:20
incineration
96:1 142:19 218:16
incinerators
219:6
incipient
5:17
include
51:21 53:9 63:2 70:6 139:8
201:16 207:2 229:20
included
47:2 81:1 96:13 114:10
including
68:11 108:13 109:10215:9
239:4
incorporate
29:11
incorporated
81:1 123:1
incorrect
165:14 168:15
increase
162:14
increased
62:12 242:7
independent
168:22
independently
236:18
index
1:1,1,1 154:23 155:4
indiana
1:1 33:8,19,21 111:18
156:2
indicate
28:10 44:11,20 109:20
217:6 273:18 286:6
indicated
10:23 32:19 84:5 145:15
276:21 277:10 284:25
indicates
222:11
indicating
244:9
indication
108:16 113:15 134:19
indirect
215:16216:21,24 217:14

individual
information (cont.)
inquiries
91:10 99:25 149:22,23
156:16,20,24 157:8 165:4,4
16:15,19 104:19 115:12
150:1 183:3 254:12 278:22
179:16,21 180:8 184:18,24
220:10
individuals
184:25 196:15 209:9
inquiring
17:6 19:2 35:12 51:9 157:3
210:14,18,25 211:6,12,19
109:17
215:9 226:22 257:8 263:6
212:23 213:3,20 215:12
inquiry
induced
217:3 218:25 222:14
17:4,5 63:23 89:12 103:22
249:8,16
232:18 238:9,13,22 243:3,4
104:1 112:19 114:1 175:10
industrial
244:7,8 245:8 258:4,5,10
insecticide
8:6,13,20,23 9:6 11:19 12:5
269:9,11 276:13,17
206:10 210:22 250:3
12:7 16:6,21,22 17:4 18:3 informed
insecticides
18:13,15,17,24 19:7 36:21
127:11 254:9
237:18
36:25 37:2,22 46:1 49:8
informing
inserted
50:25 51:1 52:15 54:3,8
195:5
78:12
59:18 62:22 64:9,23 65:2
infrequent
inside
70:21 71:8 76:24 77:3
16:2
7:11,11 36:23 152:24 153:3
79:21 80:2,14,17,20 81:16 ingestion
153:7
82:1,4,9,12 84:24 85:13,21
90:2
insoluble
86:6 93:2 104:16 105:8,17 inhalation
120:12
105:18 106:10 107:6 111:6
7:15 13:5,16 52:25 53:4
inspection
111:7 113:11 114:2,23
70:19 74:16 104:10 110:9
101:25
115:3 121:25 122:19,21
113:22 151:19 152:8 258:1 instance
123:15,23 129:5 130:8,10
258:3,17
21:10 166:14
159:23 162:4,23 163:7
inherent
instances
191:13 244:3 247:1
7:8,16 148:16,23 198:4
35:15 220:19 226:4,5
industry
199:16
institute
29:23 58:23 59:6 82:14
inherently
14:19 19:24 20:20 159:3
99:20 100:2 108:13 158:3
148:15
183:13
163:23 164:17 165:8 166:7 initially
instituted
166:24,25 167:3,14 177:11
64:7 130:20 200:20
14:3,5,17 20:25
180:24 184:12 185:4
initials
institution
206:21
113:3 205:6,7 224:15
4:4 246:23,25
industry's
initiated
institutions
108:5 158:4 167:16
120:4
76:23
inerteen
initiation
instruct
24:24 82:20 83:7,9 84:14
125:6
126:23
93:12 95:22 96:22 109:21
initiator
instructions
109:24
200:18 202:21
35:7,21 90:18,21,22 99:5
inflammability
initiators
245:13
24:8
200:16
instrumentation
inflammatory
injection
134:4
172:24
271:9
insurance
influenced
injured
21:15,17,24,24 27:14 28:14
236:20
27:4 30:11
insure
inform
injuries
5:7,3,5 6:3
16:9 152:1 209:25 210:7
5:8 26:18
intend
information
injurious
156:23 157:7
5:10,126:3,14 13:25 14:16
55:17 97:24
intended
14:23 15:7,11,21,23 16:4
injury
11:20
17:1030:1335:1264:1
26:13 27:2,11 82:6 181:7
intending
82:2 89:15 91:9,12,14,15
202:6,8 254:15 256:21,22
123:23
91:20 97:4,8 102:10,21
inland
intends
103:9,13,24 104:3,4,5,5
98:14
183:4
110:4,25 111:3,17 112:1,17 input
interchangeably
114:25 116:5,14 118:14
93:3
9:14
128:14,17 131:16 145:15
Kelly, R. Emmet M.D. (frmr Mons Med Dir) in FISHER (2)

WATER PCB-SD0000047647

[interested - kelly]
interested
34:22 42:16,16 104:25
106:13 111:22 116:11
287:25

irrelevant

128:2,6,10,14 129:17
4:7,8 9:2 88:3
98:12
256:12

207:1 274:18 275:2,3

21:2 126:4 158:17 159:13

interview
170:15,16

interviewed
170:14 175:16,18 176:6

intolerance
263:23 264:10 265:8,15
266:4,15

introduce
100:1 142:6

introduced
1:1

investigate
229:13

investigation
27:25 35:5,19 44:10 49:24
60:1 175:22 227:21,24,25
234:10,14,15,24 235:3,5
238:8 250:24 254:7

involve
32:20

involved
16:23 40:20 44:12 86:1
97:4 169:19 226:9 241:23
242:7 267:8

involves
9:11 71:16

irish
229:1,5 236:17 237:17

keep

join

21:9,1429:5 50:10 98:16
102:13 127:11 181:6,6

18:2

29:8 61:15 153:6,14,17
154:17 195:4 199:13,15
219:11 243:22 258:19
259:7 262:11 277:9

issued

joined

keller

18:19 88:21

117:24 118:23 222:8

joining

kelly

250:4

joints

152:9 153:20 154:5 166:15
229:21 230:7 232:15 264:9
180:25 196:2 207:19 210:7
266:18,22 267:19,25
210:10 219:19 222:24
jones
281:23 282:12
39:13 40:25 43:13 44:3,11
issuing
44:18,19 172:16,20 173:4
194:4,11
175:22 247:25 248:1 249:4
italian
266:24
136:19
joseph
italy
76:16
135:1
journal
item
8:20,22,25 9:1,6,6,8 33:21
94:20
49:8 52:15 54:3,8,9 62:22
items
65:10 69:12,14,18 79:20
39:8 140:25 278:22
80:20 115:2,2

iv

journals
102:5____________________

133:5 135:23 136:5 230:13
jack
235:6
18:20,20

207:17 232:23

52:5,7

157:17

183:17

investigated
investigating

kaimer

joi

issue

38:19 118:1 135:10

k

106:12 205:15

issuance

interrupt

7:8

johnson

isomers

30:19 168:15 285:20

intervals

138:11 218:18

215:15217:10

interpretation

intertwined

john

isolation

interpose

33:9 45:5 54:21 72:7 89:24
92:17 94:9,15 96:4 98:22
99:16 115:18 127:21
137:17 173:10 179:25
187:19,20 189:5 275:3,5

122:18 125:10,10 252:5

166:14 227:11 250:5

internally

jury

joe

isolated

internal

125:3

job
4:24 18:25 223:22

74:17 75:11 98:13

interim

jurors

237:2

irritation

interface
5:12,23

jibe

31:4 69:9 154:21 172:24
175:10 196:23

j

james
111:15

january
3:84:23 99:18 114:18
141:14 154:10 158:8

220:21

japan
132:14,23 134:16

japanese
132:15 133:1,5,7,9,16,17
133:25 134:17

jaundice
33:12 34:5,7,8

jensen
117:14 118:10 119:22
121:2 137:2,6

jensen's

8:5,12,13,16 52:16

jr
1:1,1 2:12

judge
31:19

judged
67:23

judgment
7:17 171:22 172:15 176:3

judgments
175:11,14

july
105:6 218:14219:1

jump
170:23

jumping
217:10

june
78:15,16 80:10 131:9
135:20 223:14,22 224:9
235:9 267:15

118:6

1:1,1 2:8,13,15,21,23,24
9:10 26:2 29:18 30:3,15
31:22 35:11 36:8 38:11
39:3 48:14 49:12 56:14
58:18 64:6 65:4 69:24
76:10,10 78:15,16 84:22
85:18 87:21 88:1 90:16
96:16 103:17 106:11
108:25 109:11,12 112:12
114:11 115:17 118:2
127:19 128:8 129:2 130:12
137:15 144:3,14 146:22
149:25 150:14 152:20
153:6 154:2 155:6 156:8,10
156:23 157:11,14,20 158:8
158:19 161:16 162:2
163:16 164:11,15 165:9,13
165:16 167:1,20 168:24
169:7,10,13,17,25 170:3,11
170:24 171:4,18 172:2,22
173:10,13,18 175:2,11
176:5,19 177:12 178:11,20
178:24 179:6 180:10,14,17
181:10 184:15 185:12,25
186:5 190:1 192:6 193:2,9
194:18 195:19,25 196:25
198:12 199:7,12,19201:7
202:19 203:5,12 204:9,14
205:25 207:20 209:6,8,16
209:22210:13211:22
212:8,21 213:16 214:2,4,17
215:2,10217:25 218:11
219:16223:14224:4,18
225:6,11 226:8 227:8 228:7
229:12 230:24 231:22
232:2,22 233:5,19 234:5
237:20 238:7,21 240:4,22
241:23 246:3 248:22 250:8
250:11 251:15 252:11,20

Kelly, R. Emmet M.D. (frmr Mons Med Dir) in FISHER (2)

WATER PCB-SD0000047648

[kelly - leached]
kelly (cont.)
know (cont.)
know (cont.)
laboratory (cont.)
253:13 254:17 255:1,15,20
45:22,22 49:18 50:5 52:8
275:5,13,14,22 276:18,22
76:13,20,22 86:14 121:24
260:5,9 263:24 269:3 270:7
55:8,8 56:25 57:14,16,16
277:1 278:1,5,10,19 280:19
126:19,20 161:14 168:13
271:21 272:5 273:19 274:6
61:11 64:22 67:4,14,16
280:21,22,22 281:11,25
168:20 196:22 229:8
275:15 276:13 277:24
72:17 73:18 74:17 75:20,24
282:9 283:20 284:15
230:13 233:4 237:17 247:1
280:10 281:15 282:7
76:1 77:18 78:14 81:6,10
285:18 286:8,14,15,16,20
251:2 252:6 256:1 261:3
284:13 285:9,13,14 286:10
81:17 83:8,11,14,16 84:2
287:5
286:12
286:18 287:10,25
85:12,20 86:5,15 87:3,6
knowing
labored
kettering
88:8,15 93:12 100:13 102:1
193:21 241:21 254:4
266:3
65:1 70:19 76:12,20,22
103:21 105:15,16 106:1
knowledge
labs
126:20 229:8 230:13 233:4
108:8 112:6,10 113:2
5:11 12:20,20 14:11 26:12
74:3,5
237:13,16 252:21,24 253:8
115:14 116:10 119:3 121:4
26:25 28:3 29:19 30:20
lack
253:13,14 256:1 261:2
121:13 122:2,5,25 123:3
37:9,10 73:13 95:13 108:3
29:1 30:12 38:6 245:9
kettle
127:24 128:4,22 129:24
127:1,3,4,7 131:15 137:13 lacks
7:11
130:25 131:19 132:17
145:4 148:13 152:10
64:2
kidneys
136:19 137:2 138:17
153:18 168:9 178:23,23
lancet
247:14
139:25 140:10 141:3,3,9,13
179:13 189:21 219:17
9:7
kill
142:3,4,7 145:1,12,14
220:3,17 222:3 223:6 247:8 language
72:9,20 124:22
148:5,9,11,12,14,20 149:2
247:11 262:25 275:19
8:5 89:20,23 90:10 91:6,7
kilogram
149:6,6,13,14 150:12,20
276:16 277:24 278:2,4,11
91:22 92:19,24 94:1 96:7
271:7,10,16,21,23 272:3,11
152:18,23 153:2,22 154:19
278:24 286:15 287:25
96:11 97:6 157:23
272:16 273:13,14,15
155:5 156:1,3,5 157:24
knowledgeable
languages
275:24 276:10 277:12,20
158:22,24 159:16,20,20
16:5 37:20 106:13 122:12
97:5
kilograms
164:22 165:14 166:1
163:7
large
272:14
167:18 168:7 169:15
known
19:25 67:13
kimbrough
170:10,12 171:2,21,25
36:24 50:25 53:2 57:21
largest
168:1,11
174:16,17 177:15,19,20
80:16 132:8 139:10 181:12
5:1 185:9,9
kindly
179:6,18 180:1,5 181:15
208:14 209:13 275:11,19
lassitude
39:11
182:6,13,13,22 183:2,14,14 knows
170:6,8,12 171:15 172:3,12
kinds
185:17 189:3,16,20,21
30:15 137:4 181:20 183:4
173:20 174:6,12,16 175:3
71:21
190:2,4 191:6,11 192:7,12 kodiak
176:7,9,11,13,17 177:14,25
kingdom
192:12,15,17 193:6,12,17
113:5
178:12 180:3 230:19
9:9 135:2
193:22,24,25 197:18
krummerich
248:19 249:3
kiser
198:10 200:15 202:14
146:7 281:10
lasted
31:20
203:3,18 204:17,20,24
139:14
1
kitchens
205:1,7,13,17207:11,11,20
late
l.l.p.
133:17
207:24 208:2 210:4,5,5,17
11:4,14 13:1,1220:5,6
1:1
knew
210:25 211:2,2,6,12,16,18
58:20 93:24 94:23 97:12,20
label
6:4 14:20 16:17 37:14
211:23 212:17213:23
117:4 131:23 156:9 223:6,7
15:9 91:6,10 92:4,8,10,11
83:13 86:14 111:8 123:22
216:6 217:14,22 220:6,8,15
223:9 278:7
92:19,24 93:12,18 94:17,20
131:20 142:19 143:4 150:6
221:16,18 223:3,7 227:2,4
law
95:6,7,14,14,21,23,24 96:2
151:11,13,18 152:4,18
228:1,2,3,4,8,14,19,21,23
1:1,1 2:18
96:5,11,12,22 97:3,3,11,15
229:7,10,22 230:11 231:11
lawful
153:25 154:3,14 161:3,8
98:24,25 99:7
162:12 165:6,9,16,19,21
231:18,20 232:12,14,15
2:9
labeled
166:1,3,13,15 167:19 182:4
234:7,9 236:8,10,11,13,13
lawyer
63:20 96:18 198:24
182:8 183:20 184:4,6
236:23 237:1,8 238:5,13
138:12
labels
185:19 196:9 199:24 200:2
239:16240:1,15,16241:14
lay
5:13 15:6 96:25 107:19
219:2,4,6 221:3 223:5
241:15,17,17,18,19242:6
120:16
116:9,24 142:21 156:21,25
228:25 229:2 232:15 235:8
242:23,24 243:2,20,21
laying
157:8 187:11 210:11
235:19 236:1,8 244:25
245:2,24 246:17,24 247:2
121:7
259:24,25 260:1,2 279:13
247:24 249:2,4 258:14
250:16 251:4,18,20 252:8
layman's
laboratories
know
253:6,15 254:1,16 255:8,13
77:21 78:17
5:9 70:15,18 82:20 84:25
5:11 6:21 18:12 22:13,16
256:4,5,25 257:2,22 260:7
Id
85:13 86:3,6,19 88:15
24:1,10,18,21,25 31:11
260:24 261:9,12 268:15,18
72:6,23 74:1 271:8
122:20 123:23 126:10,18
33:22 35:10 36:9,12 37:1,4
268:19,20,23,25 269:3,5,15
leached
laboratory
37:8,14 44:14,25 45:2,8,21
269:18 272:18 273:4,5
153:10
18:1565:1 70:11,19,22
Kelly, R. Emmet M.D. (frmr Mons Med Dir) in FISHER (2)

WATER PCB-SD0000047649

[leaching - lunch]
leaching
155:6
lead
90:3,4 113:22
leading
17:2
leak
151:11 152:2,5,11
leakage
65:22 95:12 98:1,3,14
132:19 151:14258:16
leaked
33:9 34:3 152:17 153:3
leaking
79:1 259:11
learn
33:16 43:3,10 48:24,25
117:1 132:8 134:11 149:25
156:7
learned
25:11 43:12 136:22
learning
6:8 111:22
led
4:3 209:9 210:14 241:25
left
10:9 19:6 42:24 57:15
137:12 167:4 168:20
179:17 221:24 222:5
245:17 276:16 286:17
leg
202:9
legal
239:4
lehmann
123:18
lethal
72:3,6,18 273:7 276:19
277:11,19
lethally
272:10
letter
6:11 33:17 66:6 67:2 68:10
68:21 89:12 103:18,19
104:1 105:4,5 106:10,19
107:22 108:8 109:13,14,16
110:5 111:11 112:16 113:1
113:6,15,25 114:10 118:4
121:23,25 122:21 125:5,8
127:22 131:6 204:16
267:14
letters
15:25 16:3,14 37:21 103:9
103:10 107:20 114:1
157:18210:10

leukemia
194:3
level
30:2 64:19 65:3 68:8 79:3
81:6,19 82:5,13,14,14
125:1,1 133:10 149:15,18
149:21,23,25 150:1 187:1
281:12
levels
81:17 125:14,15 150:5
198:6,11,13,18 220:25
222:16 281:4,4,7,11,17,20
282:3
levinskas
106:11 126:3
liable
7:14 196:19 259:14 279:17
liberty
18:23 66:13
libido
170:25 171:16 173:21
174:7,13,17 175:4 176:20
176:21 177:1,2,5,9,15,25
178:12 180:4 229:21 230:7
230:16,18 232:16 247:17
248:18 249:3,12 264:9
265:24 266:18,21 267:18
267:25 269:6,14,19,21,24
270:5 279:17
life
97:25
lifetime
85:7 124:11,14,15 168:3
lightning
24:6 220:16,25
limit
68:7 81:12 116:10 155:20
limiting
192:3
limits
107:7
line
9:23 19:11 32:23 50:7
56:25 154:21 155:12
173:16 206:5 225:23 226:1
256:13 257:20
lines
261:20
liquid
34:21 36:3 90:4,8
liquids
7:13
list
21:14,2551:13 189:13
191:10 247:16 248:9
265:12,14

listed
look (cont.)
15:17,1844:7 51:18,19
121:21 122:6 125:2 127:19
60:17 63:7,16 76:16 143:1
128:7 129:2 130:12 131:4
247:25
137:14 147:4,7 161:6,7
listen
181:16 198:2 224:6 227:8
158:19 185:25 211:4
234:16 246:6 250:18
233:11
264:18
listing
looked
266:22
107:2 135:23 160:5 227:4
lite
239:16
45:10 47:6,10 49:22 50:11 looking
literature
52:10 92:8 103:3 116:24
6:13 7:23 10:8,12,18 12:20
118:20,21 130:13 137:9
13:20 34:13 39:5,6 64:17
147:19 161:7 167:9,10
65:5 80:12 164:4,9 189:17
221:2 248:11,13 261:4
213:23
looks
little
67:19 139:24 147:5 260:18
24:2 39:4 48:5 76:19 86:1
loosely
94:2 104:7 131:2 190:12
95:4
204:7 248:23 270:20
loss
live
170:20,21,25 171:15,16
2:24
173:21,21 174:7,7,12,13,17
liver
174:20,21,22 175:3,4
13:6,14,17 34:4,4 41:2 42:2
176:20,21 177:1,2,5,9,14
48:8 53:2 62:16 63:18
177:15,25 178:12,12 180:3
113:23 162:18 247:14
180:4 229:21 230:6,16,18
260:21 261:8,8 280:3,6,6
230:18 232:16 247:17
283:13,16
248:18 249:3,3,11 264:8
local
265:24 266:18,21 267:18
4:14
267:25 269:6,20,23 270:5
localized
279:17
119:4
lost
locally
12:13 59:9 174:22
214:16
lot
location
9:23 24:5 91:9 106:16
146:12,18
107:6 111:6 118:20 126:17
logical
133:3,7 171:3 177:9 208:25
149:4,6
210:16212:4
london
lots
117:9,17
189:13
long
louis
32:21 33:1,4 70:20 77:19
1:1,1 2:25 3:8 4:1 5:2 17:24
107:25 130:9 137:10 152:7
20:24 21:24 49:23 93:16
152:9 176:13 246:25
135:2 136:7 145:21 146:4
longer
146:19 159:6 228:12
78:19 270:5
287:25,25
look
low
6:13 39:7,11 45:3 52:3
67:5 68:13
53:16 56:7,16 59:19,22
lower
60:16 62:18 65:7 66:4,18
218:21
73:22 74:22 76:8 79:22
luckily
82:16 84:21 86:5 87:23
8:4
92:1 93:7 95:17 96:16,19
lump
97:14 99:14 101:9 103:16
120:16
105:2 109:11 112:24 114:9 lunch
114:11 115:16 118:2
69:22

Kelly, R. Emmet M.D. (frmr Mons Med Dir) in FISHER (2)

WATER PCB-SD0000047650

[luncheon - medical]
luncheon
69:23 214:25
lyle
36:14
lynck
103:20

manager
111:15 143:9
mandatory
208:12
manifest
257:21
manifestations
m
230:3 267:15
manner
1:1,1 2:8,23 4:3 51:3 228:7
87:14 126:16 179:17,22
228:9 256:4 287:10,25
manners
180:8
64:24 68:1,3,4,23 81:6,8,24
man's
18613 18715 18925
200:4
190:3,13 191:14
manufacture
24:14 46:19 132:16 145:5
118:22
145:19,24 146:4 150:23
193:9 196:19 214:1 222:13
2519
manufactured
24:16 39:24 43:17 45:8,10
191:24 192:18
92:5 101:18 145:13,16
148:24 150:15,16 180:24
1336
188:23 189:2,5 191:7,18
magazine
192:8 196:1,6 199:10
33:20
208:24,25 212:10,11
227:19 245:12 250:2 264:1
1484
manufacturer
43:13 145:9
249
manufacturers
24:11,17,19,20 150:22
101:25 113:4
manufacturing
6:11,17 19:23 20:2 51:25
24:10 84:1 280:5
52:4 111:16 132:15,16
138:7 146:16 177:23 190:8
46:9 47:21 72:24 75:9
192:25 245:7 249:25
marbles
6:17 7:16 31:5,9 114:1
188:12,13,16 192:1
115:12 119:7 122:23
marbury
143:14,24 175:13 191:14
111:18
262:21 267:23
march
malfunction
1:1,1 3:9,10 5:3 82:20,25
220:12
103:19 115:25 215:6 216:9
287:25
21'25
marked
1:1 59:20 60:3 65:8 66:4
203:3
69:12 73:23 76:10 79:23
82:17 87:23 92:2 94:9
150:19
96:16 101:10 103:17 105:3
109:12 112:12 118:2 128:8
17:16,20,22 51:2 69:3 82:5
129:2 135:12 137:15
88:9 104:2,20 111:5 113:4
204:13,14 224:3,5 255:19
118:5 143:11 145:2 149:3,9
255:22
149:14 161:5 176:15 178:6
market
1981 201 '6 238 14 256 9
142:6 192:20,21 193:4
-1 ^
218:17
50:6 141:7

marketing
mccrea (cont.)
5:15 15:20,22 99:25 101:7
155:11,14 164:5,11,15
103:23 138:8 141:18210:6
171:12 175:15 176:2,5
220:1
178:18 180:14 182:2
martin
204:11 206:9 208:2,5
41:9 44:18 163:10 179:13
214:14,24 222:2 225:22
179:22 180:6 250:22
226:3,13,16231:15256:11
martin's
256:15 264:16,24 265:3,7
41:21
265:13,14 271:18 285:10
mass
mean
137:3
8:109:6 11:4 17:1223:3,4
massachusetts
24:19 25:10 44:15 67:20
51:17
71:15 73:6 78:4 81:24
master's
85:17,18 101:14 106:6
18:12,13,20
115:14 120:6 122:25
material
126:20 135:9 137:1 143:17
9:4 13:4,17 15:15 29:23
147:24,24 158:22 159:7,21
33:8,11 34:19 46:3 71:24
160:9 163:6 165:24 170:15
72:1 73:10 74:16 78:13,21
171:3 178:24 184:18 185:6
79:2,4 85:6 90:12 91:16
186:23 187:1 193:7 196:3
94:6 96:22 97:1 100:15,19
201:19,21 203:10 207:20
101:6 102:15,17 110:18
211:25 212:3 216:23,24
116:8 119:20,20 121:10
217:12218:10229:4
125:22 132:20 135:4
233:14 234:25,25 235:1
142:21 153:9 198:19
238:13 239:8 243:11
213:23,24 226:6 231:9,10
250:16,18 251:8 252:2,8
231:11 234:16 253:5 260:4
259:10263:12,15,15271:7
materials
271:21 273:21 276:7
5:10,126:22 11:18 13:19
meaning
59:4 106:21 218:24 260:13
29:1 30:12 230:3 267:16,17
math
meaningful
190:20,22,23
30:15
mathematics
means
188:14
9:15 16:9 23:21 67:15 72:7
matter
72:9 82:2 85:5 93:13 94:5
16:21 147:21 185:12
102:14 120:7 147:18
245:11
186:24 187:23 200:20
matters
217:14234:9 260:12,19
17:2 287:25
271:8
maurie
meant
205:15
187:21 207:11,12217:8
maximum
measures
64:24 68:4,23 69:4,6 91:16
16:11 194:1
104:14,23 186:8,8,11,17,25 mechanisms
187:4,10,13 188:17 189:6
216:14 217:5 269:3,5
189:14,22 191:7,19 192:8 medical
mccrea
3:1,14,15,254:6,12,14,15
1:1,1,1,1 12:1726:1,10,15
4:16,19 5:8,15,22,25,5,8,22
27:6,19 28:12,18 29:7,11
5:2,5,13,15,20 6:7,20 7:20
29:17 30:7 31:1,5,9,16,21
7:22,22,24 8:4,23,25 10:12
32:13,16,22 35:9 37:12
13:23 14:2,5,16 16:23 17:7
38:5,16,18,25 41:15 42:10
17:23 18:1,2,19 19:3,8,11
43:5 47:8 48:12 49:6 56:9
19:13,17,18,21,24 20:1,19
56:12 58:25 59:8 67:1
25:22 26:3,7,17,20 27:1,12
85:15,17 108:11,21 109:7
27:22 28:20 30:1,3,4,10,13
112:4 144:13,16 147:16
30:17,18,20,25 31:23,24

Kelly, R. Emmet M.D. (frmr Mons Med Dir) in FISHER (2)

WATER PCB-SD0000047651

[medical - monsanto]
medical (cont.)
memory
33:21 34:13 36:9,10,21
51:13 157:13 205:7 277:5
38:13,21 39:4,6 41:16,19
men
42:1,6,10 65:11 69:13
44:21 110:22 230:3,11
73:16 74:7 76:13 83:3
267:16
85:10 90:16 93:1 100:9,12 mentioned
100:13,15,17 102:11,18,21
7:21 8:15 10:11 16:13
102:25 105:6,11,16,19,25
17:25 48:2 65:7 71:13 72:6
106:8 108:12 109:9 115:19
77:20 96:1 113:20 114:10
121:14 122:4 125:24
120:4 130:18 192:17
127:10 140:13 142:5 143:2
216:19 222:6
143:5 156:11,16 160:22,24 mentioning
161:11 162:2,5 165:5,9
236:19 269:25
172:17 174:1 175:11,14,17 mentions
176:3,24 178:3 179:4 185:8
94:3 115:7
185:14,18,18 193:20
messrs
205:16 221:11,13 223:24
1:1
230:10 233:17 234:1
met
250:13,17 278:19,20
36:22 49:23 172:21 228:10
medicine
228:12,14,16,17
4:3,7,8,9,10,19 5:6,7,16,21 metabolic
9:2,3,9 19:20 36:25 50:25
215:15217:9
54:10 76:14,25 82:1 163:8 metal
meet
78:12
228:11
meter
meeting
66:9 81:8,9,21,21 186:19
137:19,24 138:21,24
187:6,21,24 188:3,5,11
139:13,14 141:2 206:1
190:16 192:4
229:5,11,11 237:15,16
method
262:18
72:14218:15271:9
meetings
methods
36:22 193:25 217:4
120:7 208:13
meigs
mezera
34:13 65:7,12,15,24 66:6
205:10,22
66:20 68:17,18,22 110:19 mg
melted
271:15
49:4
mg's
member
271:21
4:16,18 38:13 82:15 105:11 mice
114:13 223:24
77:18
members
michigan
19:24
153:22 155:25
membership
microscope
69:19
55:3
memo
microscopically
122:6 131:13252:16
54:24
memoranda
middle
216:12217:4 219:10
68:6 126:2 146:2 270:15
232:19 235:8 256:2 262:8 mieure's
memorandum
222:10
6:12 88:4,5,18 89:4 118:7 mild
204:6,16,19,20 207:19
12:7 34:14 65:19
208:1,9 211:13213:8 222:7 mildly
225:11,14,17 232:11
244:2
242:25 244:23 255:25
miles
261:16 266:15 277:2
44:16,17

milk
mistaken
152:25 153:4,8,17 154:4,6
131:12
154:14 155:7,17,22 156:8 mists
milligram
98:18
66:9 81:9,20 272:3,13
misunderstood
273:13,15,16,17,17
221:6
milligrams
mixed
81:8,21 186:19 187:6,21
41:1977:17 109:18
189:9 190:16 192:4 271:22 mixture
272:11,17 273:14,21
23:8 46:1358:1361:19
275:23 276:9 277:11,20
63:24 133:21
million
mixtures
149:20 188:8,9,12 189:7,10
22:24 99:20
189:23 190:14,15,21 191:9 mo
191:20 192:10 272:21,23
1:1
273:6,13,17,21
moderate
millions
12:7
23:18 140:2,3,4 145:12
moderately
mind
244:2
7:4 55:16 56:12,13 87:16
molecular
175:2 279:20 280:1
200:20
mindful
molecule
260:21,25
190:21 191:8,20 200:13
mindset
240:11
69:10
molecules
mine
188:4,4,5 190:21 191:9,21
66:6 93:4 155:24 216:25
234:6
mineral
moment
23:24,24
12:10 84:13 171:7 184:21
minimize
monitoring
208:6,14
21:8
minimum
mons
72:18
80:9 246:10
minute
monsanto
7:21 32:8 46:7,16,25 50:22
1:1,1 2:17,20 3:3 4:22 5:7
71:14 79:6 94:8 116:23
5:23,16,21 6:2 7:20 10:23
121:13 131:22 178:17
11:5,22 13:23 14:22 17:11
264:5,11,21
20:1 21:9 22:5,8,10,15
minutes
24:14 25:23 26:2,12,21,25
84:7 137:23 138:21 139:15
27:1,9,24 28:20,23 30:4,9
139:22 140:16 218:5,6
30:22 31:23 35:8,21 36:9
mischaracterization
36:20 39:6 40:2,6,12 42:24
46:1947:1,11,14,15,19,23
171:11
mischaracterizes
48:11 50:13,16,17 52:17
152:13214:11
53:10,12 57:9,21 59:24
mischaracterizing
60:20 61:1 69:25 70:3,9,11
166:21
70:15 73:1,20 74:4,10 75:5
misidentification
75:18,22 77:7,10 78:22
64:7
79:8 80:25 83:4 85:1 86:25
misnomer
88:9 90:17 91:22 92:5,13
85:3
92:14,24 93:15,19,20 95:14
missouri
96:1 99:18 101:2,12,16,18
1:1,1 2:25 4:15 287:25,25
101:22 102:24 103:5 105:6
287:25
108:14 112:17 113:8
misspoke
115:11 117:1 118:15 119:9
75:12
119:14 120:4,22 122:23

Kelly, R. Emmet M.D. (frmr Mons Med Dir) in FISHER (2)

WATER PCB-SD0000047652

[monsanto - noted]
monsanto (cont.)
morning
123:15 125:24 126:15,23
2:13,14 69:25 144:14,15
127:4 131:16 134:11 135:1
197:7
135:4,23 136:8,12,22,23
mortality
137:10,20 141:22 143:14
284:24 285:5,21
143:17 145:5,9,13,15,19,23 motor
146:3 148:24 150:15,23
17:13,15
151:9 154:17 155:4 156:11 motors
156:16,24 159:3,12 160:14
17:17,18
163:17,21,22 167:1,4
mounted
168:11,20 173:6,7 175:18
92:18
178:25 179:7 183:16,20,23 mouth
184:2,4,10,20 188:23 189:5
11:20
191:7,19 192:8,16,19 193:3 move
193:9,20 194:19 196:1,7
48:12 108:21 130:15
199:10 203:21 204:25
172:14,23 173:12 175:6
205:21 208:24 210:21
192:6 240:14 250:15,21
212:8,10,11,13,22 215:24
262:15 277:22 287:4
216:13 217:4,19 220:20
mulliss
221:24 222:4,24 223:10
1:1 2:19
227:20 229:12 234:25
multi
235:2,6 237:16 242:20,21
19:19
243:12 249:20 250:1 254:6 multiple
254:8,24 255:7,10,12
85:6
256:24 257:12,15,16
multiply
261:17,25 262:19 263:5,9
272:18
263:22 264:1 265:6 266:2,6 musch
266:14 267:3,18,21 273:24
284:25 285:5
273:25 274:7,13,14 276:16 muscles
277:10,25 278:11,15,24
262:3,22 264:9 265:23
280:19 281:3 285:22
266:8
286:19,21,23 287:1,2,23
mutual
monsanto's
18:23
3:14 5:25 7:25 13:25 16:10
n
16:14 20:2,21 25:24 26:9
n.i.o.s.h.
87:21 117:6 134:20 135:24
164:10
136:4 158:12 192:14
name
207:23 219:11 222:1
2:18,22 5:3 19:1 22:10,13
225:19 246:13 281:6
24:21,25 37:8,8 41:8,10
monte rey
45:12 47:23 80:15 82:11
197:11,16 199:12
83:7,19 88:6 92:14 98:24
month
101:15 109:25 111:9 113:3
126:2 128:3
117:13 128:21 134:24
monthly
144:16 146:8 150:14,17
126:4
164:11,12,19,21,24 189:4
months
224:24 271:19
65:22 68:15 118:18 124:18
named
125:20 126:8 133:6 134:12
83:9 129:9
135:21,21
names
moore
8:17 9:23 19:2 37:5 70:14
1:1 2:19
224:20,22 229:4
morally
naphthalene
261:11
45:17 46:10,17,19,22,24
morgan
55:12 56:1 61:15 135:18
180:1
222:12 271:20

naphthalenes
45:14 108:3 136:16
nason
227:25
national
183:12
nations
134:25
naturally
144:24 149:11,13
nature
131:11
nausea
34:1
naval
113:5
nazi
253:10
nearly
64:10 192:16
necessarily
51:21
necessary
11:13 16:11 89:9 124:9
need
16:10 31:8 89:7 161:18,22
162:20 163:15 181:18
244:9 251:22
needed
12:16 13:3 89:11 116:4,9
139:7
needing
86:16
needs
38:12 141:24 215:18
217:20
negative
108:19,19 109:5,6 251:14
negligible
78:1,8
negro
172:13
neighbor
143:18
neither
287:25
netherlands
134:23 135:16
neuritis
133:5 230:15 269:1
neurologist
163:4
neutral
201:2
new
9:1,8 18:14 34:12,16 36:17

new (cont.)
51:17 142:2,8
newspaper
117:11 118:19
newspapers
117:21 133:8
nine
125:15
nineteen
3:11 62:23
nip
143:23
nitro
211:24212:4 225:19
226:16,18 227:22 229:13
231:1,2 233:15 235:13,23
238:8 241:24 242:11,25
245:4 248:15,17 256:21
264:1 267:7
nitrochloranaline
189:11
nodded
223:20
non
101:15
nonbiodegradable
120:11
noncontributory
21:21
nonflammable
101:16
noninflammable
23:23
nonmedical
232:13
nontoxic
63:22
norfolk
20:12
normal
41:3 54:22 107:17 252:5,6
normally
6:8 104:18
north
1:1,1,1 2:19287:25
northbrook
84:25
notarial
287:25
notary
1:1 2:5 287:18,25,25
note
27:23 29:9 49:6 107:11
268:2
noted
68:21 69:11 119:2 216:4

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[notice - ordinary]
notice
objection (cont.)
oettel
okay (cont.)
2:16 96:12 104:13 214:7,15
56:9 58:25 67:1 108:11
228:9 233:20 236:4,20
270:16 285:14
214:17 223:15,19,21
109:7 124:2 155:2,10,15
237:8,21 238:5,5,25 239:8 Oklahoma
238:23 239:2,8,12 244:14
206:7 223:18 226:2,11
240:1 241:6,9,12,15 243:5
218:19
263:5
249:17 251:6 253:22
244:21 256:8,8 265:24
old
noticed
256:12,14 263:14
274:11
3:17 43:25 46:4 123:21
55:1
objections
oettel's
olive
notification
39:2 59:9
234:8 235:15 236:20 238:3
1:1
141:18
objective
oettingen
olliges
notified
174:1
38:3,8 51:14
1:1 2:4 287:25
221:14 278:25
objects
offer
once
notify
26:15 27:19 28:5 38:5
142:24
20:10,15,17 60:7 75:4
141:16
59:10 285:14
offering
126:2 228:10,12,14 241:5
november
obscure
17:14
263:18 266:11
3:11 74:2 129:6,7,13
33:20
offhand
ones
138:22 141:2 221:16
observation
189:16
8:17 16:2 24:13 35:3 61:17
number
69:8
office
87:7 107:1 108:19 192:14
22:1937:1962:6 71:11
observations
14:8 117:9,9,10 129:23
236:23 238:19
80:19 139:16 141:16 143:3
62:25 67:24
146:15,18,21
onion
143:4 157:17 185:2,2,7
observed
offices
34:18
198:19 214:3 246:10
35:16 134:1
1:1 14:9 146:20 287:25
open
266:23 271:25 275:15
obtain
officially
7:13,14 132:25 133:2 183:7
285:16,22
3:24 5:9,11
14:4
opened
numbered
obtained
officials
41:1
39:10
16:8 179:22
123:22
operate
numbers
obviously
oftener
82:4
23:2 57:19 186:16
15:531:1244:1787:3
20:18
operating
numerical
123:22 217:11 277:15
oh
86:6
22:18
occasion
5:21 7:7 8:21 11:12 16:12 operation
numerous
5:19 10:7 20:2 40:14,19
20:9 23:17 44:22 54:7,11
7:13 20:13 61:7 265:22
164:8,16
occasional
55:24 64:9 69:15 83:16
operations
nurse
8:24
86:7,11 88:2 89:17 91:9
19:19 20:7,9 52:1
179:7
occasions
102:9 114:18 115:13 122:8 operator
37:20 258:15
124:11 126:11 127:13
8:3
o
132:10 134:12 139:12
occupational
operators
4:10,18,19 5:12,16,15,20
140:10 190:2 218:6,9,11
65:21
144:10 287:25
19:20 27:11,1254:1080:19
245:22 264:5,13 266:16
opinion
object
82:1 280:10,13,17,20,25
Ohio
11:1,7,13,23 12:11,14,22
12:17 26:1 35:9 37:12 49:9
occur
156:4
13:1,10 29:22 42:14 64:4
112:4 152:12 154:20 155:9
40:8 98:6 219:8
oil
68:19,25 69:9 70:24 76:5,7
166:20 171:10,20 172:5,10
occurred
23:24,24 83:10 132:20,24
79:11 84:15,19 87:14 91:5
172:14,23 173:1,12 175:6
13:7 40:17 65:20 121:18
133:15
174:23 238:4 244:13
176:8 179:19 191:22
opinions
127:9 132:13 134:8 175:25 okay
192:11 194:7,22 197:9
188:18203:19231:5
3:21 5:4 19:1,12 28:8 45:20
12:10,1028:1729:20 71:11
198:15 206:3 210:3 212:2
237:15 258:18 268:24
46:15 52:10 68:10 69:11
oral
214:10 225:22 227:17
285:9,15 286:17
80:7 92:16 93:5 96:15 97:6
74:15 75:1,8 90:2 103:24
239:3 240:14 241:5 244:11
occurrence
101:4 102:4,16 103:25
104:3,5 109:3 129:5
248:20 249:22 250:15,21
132:1 220:18
110:13,23 112:9,11 114:24 orally
262:15 277:22 278:17
occurrences
116:19 117:22 118:1,13
52:12 165:5 271:9
285:3,8,24 286:7,13 287:4
249:24
121:12 125:2 127:8,19
order
objected
occurring
128:7 129:1 130:13 131:4
26:16
2543
143:5
131:21 136:11 140:8,15
ordered
objection
73:15 137:5
o'clock
141:5 143:1,13 160:11
26:10 27:6 28:12 29:9,12
174:8 187:25 189:19
ordinary
1:1,1
29:13 30:7 31:7,9,19,21
October
199:19 203:5 233:19
62:8
32:14,23 38:16,20 41:15,16
88:19 109:15 131:14222:7
242:17 249:1 252:11 260:5
42:10 43:5,6 47:8 48:12
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[organ - pcbs]
organ
package
paragraph (cont.)
pass
13:14,18 71:6 159:25
75:10 82:21 84:6 95:4
208:18211:22 215:13
129:1
161:15247:16
packages
217:19 225:3,5 227:8
passed
organic
95:3
229:24 233:20 237:21
5:25
67:10 147:18 198:19
packaging
241:2 252:22 254:20
patents
organically
142:2
260:10 270:15
25:3
201:6
page
paragraphs
pathologic
89:6,16,18,18,21 90:12
organization
247:5
1:1,1,1 63:11,12 80:5,9
86:9 100:4 102:5,19 105:21
102:20 106:20 254:18,19
pathological
19:13,18 50:23 77:5 81:12
81:14 117:18 128:20
107:12 114:16 136:21
paranitroanaline
248:7
organizations
137:22 139:16 140:16,19
190:10
pathologist
4:12 16:551:16,17
140:21,24 157:15,16,17
parathion
126:1 168:17,22,23
organize
164:25 167:11 215:12
189:12 190:7,9 192:15
pathologists
5:22
225:2,4,5 227:9 229:25
pardon
77:4 85:25 246:20
organs
233:19 241:3 243:9 246:8,8
153:15 206:22 278:3
pathology
246:14 247:6,10,12 248:10
246:9,14 252:12,17,18
283:15
53:19,25 54:18,19 124:25
249:5
254:20 257:17 260:10
part
124:25 246:17 248:13
original
261:14,20 268:6 270:7,12
2:10 3:7,8 28:15 29:18
patient
118:6
pages
36:20 83:25 84:1 89:10
5:25
originally
100:22
98:10 139:13 140:8,10
patients
57:13 130:19
paid
160:21 172:19 174:18
44:15,18
ought
21:19 254:6
182:10,11 188:7,9 189:10 pattern
69:5 90:19
painful
189:23 190:13,15 192:9
159:19
outbreak
229:21 230:7 232:14 264:9
204:19210:16212:18
paul
42:9 43:4,11
266:18,21 267:19,25
254:7 272:22
99:17,23,24 204:17,23
outbreaks
paint
partial
pay
44:24
152:20 153:12
218:23 277:18
50:12 54:17 77:10
outflows
painted
partially
pcb
119:4
64:11
219:13
14:20 16:2 17:1422:11
outside
palm
participate
24:14 25:23 26:8,9,23
52:8 143:7 202:12 216:6
228:20
19:12
27:17 70:4 86:23 87:13
220:5
papageorge
participated
94:24 107:9,18 109:18
oven
141:12,19 154:8 218:14
27:21
112:19 118:23 119:6 124:4
34:16
220:22 221:20 222:6
particular
126:14,24 127:2 135:1,2,24
overall
papageorge's
10:15 11:11 17:450:7
141:17,21,25 144:19,20
141:7 143:9
155:1
60:1267:11 69:8 71:17
147:4,6 152:1 157:4 161:1
overexposed
paper
74:19 75:3 86:21 89:9
162:6,11,16,19,22 163:11
279:25 280:2,8
25:21 53:12,22 55:8 63:2
91:13 99:21 102:25 118:18
163:18,23,24 164:6 168:21
oxidation
64:11 94:17 96:5 106:6
120:3 148:18,18 160:19
177:10,22 178:25 180:2
218:23 277:18
115:11 118:6,9,10 131:23
161:15,15 165:21,21 167:8
186:18 187:6,22,24 188:3,5
oxide
135:15,19 185:21 186:2
179:15 186:24 193:8
188:13,16,20 190:13,21
233:22 235:16 236:19
250:12 281:23
199:14 200:4 201:2 216:6,8
191:15203:12,25 220:12
papers
219:21 220:4,19 221:5
220:18221:15,15245:12
237:1,3,5 272:1,5 273:2
275:16
54:14 55:7 78:9 286:17
232:20 268:19 281:13
250:4 252:10 274:22,25
oxidized
paperwork
286:3
281:3,6 282:3 283:11
219:13
125:11
particularly
284:12 285:6,22 286:19
oxygen
para
130:11 245:25 260:21,25
pcbs
147:2,6,17,21 234:6 240:12
195:10 196:8,10,14 200:18 parties
9:12,14 10:8,16,20,23 11:2
240:15 270:8,23 271:2
parachloranaline
287:25,25,25
11:5,23 12:3,12,15,21 13:2
274:15
189:12
partly
22:5 23:14 25:4,9,12,25
oxygens
paragraph
21:17
26:14,19 27:5,21,23 28:11
147:13
63:14 89:3,5,14 102:13
parts
28:16,17,21,24,25 29:20,21
104:13
106:19
107:11,13
54:24
96:17
149:17,20
30:6,11,11 31:1232:1
P
107:22 108:6 109:20
272:15,20,23,23 273:5,6,6
34:19 37:11,21,23,25 38:15
p.o.
111:10,11 136:21 157:21
273:8 282:3
46:1761:1264:15,1965:6
1:1
158:11 166:21 206:12
70:7,16 73:2,7 76:5 78:6,10
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[pcbs - plant]
pcbs (cont.)

people (cont.)

persisted

physicians

47:18 48:3 50:11 51:16
176:14
4:17 19:8 77:3 80:19 82:3
79:12,16 83:15,25 84:1,15
87:14 91:23 101:19,21
52:4,5 61:6 66:10,11 67:7 persistent
159:12 160:7,7
103:11,12,15 104:1 106:15
68:12 69:18 72:11 79:1
97:23
physiology
106:17 112:2 115:12
104:25 117:13,14 118:14
persisting
122:12
116:25 117:2,11 118:17
119:18 133:3 134:10
117:2 119:10
pick
119:7,10,15,23,25 120:3,11
138:14,16 150:20 160:5
person
87:8 97:6 137:7 150:5
120:24 121:3,6 127:6
166:24 170:17 171:21
5:7,20 8:4 18:18 50:25
picked
173:5 174:3 175:13 179:14
81:25 98:11 134:16,24
72:19 119:20 120:3 150:13
128:24 130:4,19 131:7
132:15 133:9,13,19,19
182:17 185:23 191:13
149:16,19 152:3 159:1
picking
134:2,25 135:3,18 144:19
196:21,24,25 197:1,18
161:12 163:9 174:18
249:23
145:6,9,13,16,19,24 146:4
198:9 201:1,1 209:1 210:6
180:21 187:1 194:5 201:20 picture
148:3,24 149:1,3,5,8,15,18
222:5 229:6 230:14 231:4
201:23 230:10 232:14
236:24 257:16
149:22,23 150:1,7,16,21,23
233:3 234:16,17,19 245:10
250:20
pictures
150:24 151:2,4,7,9,11,12
251:14 252:9 253:20
personal
257:7,13,15
152:20,23 153:2,7,17 154:3
254:13 258:19 259:3,8
26:13 27:2 176:22 185:8
piece
154:6,15 155:7,19,20,21
261:9 262:10 266:16,17,20 personally
24:4 120:9,16 185:21 186:2
156:7,17 158:13,17 159:5
266:21 267:7 268:11,17
218:18 243:11 255:5
250:12
159:14 160:2,20 161:3
269:17 272:8 274:7 278:20 personnel
pile
164:17 165:2,17,20,22
279:11 283:17285:10
30:22,22 136:23
95:19
166:4,12,13,18 167:4,21
people's
persons
pillars
168:2,6,12,19,25 169:20
203:1
10:19 48:22 86:5,16 102:11
36:23
171:6 175:5 183:18 184:1,6 percent
104:19 110:22 114:1
pioneer
184:13 185:16 186:6
21:5,18,19 23:5,7,9,13
115:12
36:24
192:15,23,24 203:14,14
45:1846:11,1347:11,13,21 person's
pipes
214:8,16,18,22 216:14
47:22 53:15 56:19,23 57:17
117:13
7:11 151:7
217:6 219:3,13,18,21 220:4
57:25 58:1,7,12 60:9,10
petroleum
Pittsburgh
220:11 221:24 222:1 223:1
61:24 63:17,20 69:17 71:24
19:24
105:9
223:1,17 224:21 238:1,12
72:3 114:14 119:13 196:20 ph.d.
place
239:1 240:5 243:7,9,18,23
197:1 248:1 271:12
37:7 51:2,3 77:5 228:20
44:13 173:24 180:13
243:25 244:1,9 245:7,24
percentage
pharmaceuticals
225:18,19
246:13 247:9 249:21,25
50:5
98:8,16
placed
250:2 253:3,16,17,20
percentages
phenoclor
39:9
254:14 258:21 275:6,7
45:15
136:18
places
277:14,15,18,25 278:12,16 peregrine
phenol
126:18
279:2,2,25 280:11,15,21
119:21 143:20
189:11 237:23
plain
282:7,13 283:2,8,17,22,25 perform
philosophy
16:24
284:3,7,15 285:2
70:9 218:17
90:19 91:5
plaintiff
peaks
performed
photographs
1:1,1,1 2:2 12:1726:1,15
118:21
126:15 151:7 185:14,14
257:9,10
27:19,23 28:5 35:9 38:5
peanut
perimeters
phrase
49:6 59:10 225:24
198:17,18,21 199:3,6,21
241:21
85:2
plaintiff's
pencil
period
phrased
1:1 204:13,15 224:3 255:19
188:7
3:6 13:22 18:16 31:23
89:7
plan
penetrate
62:14 67:19 71:18 78:20
phthalate
140:22,25 141:1 142:23
253:21
85:7 93:18 97:10 107:25
61:9
plant
Pennsylvania
132:1 134:22 143:13,15
physical
3:8 5:1,1,2,3,6,10,19,20
105:9
145:23 146:3 179:8 187:2
15:1720:20 158:16 160:17
14:7 19:9,10,1920:11,12
pentachlornaphthalene
periodic
172:17 185:1 248:2 251:22
20:24 37:12 40:14,16 41:5
45:16
30:2
252:5
41:5 43:1,1444:466:14
pentachlorphenol
periods
physician
68:17 73:11 88:24,25 89:1
237:25
77:19
3:7,11,22 5:1,10,19,9,24
89:10 111:18 119:4 135:2
people
peripheral
33:13 41:5 69:16 88:10,24
145:21,22 146:7,16,19
6:17 15:13 19:9 21:15,18
133:4 230:15 269:1
89:10 122:18 162:24 163:7
160:20 163:8 225:19251:2
33:2,10 34:1 35:21 36:4
permanent
205:11 260:21,24 261:2,7
281:10 284:8
37:14 40:11 43:14 47:7,10
146:21
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[plants - problem]
plants
5:8 20:3,16,17,23 141:22
141:25 159:5
plasticizer
25:1661:10
plate
78:12
play
28:16 29:20
please
26:6 29:6 47:5 62:20 65:9
76:11 82:18 89:24 95:7,20
96:17,21 97:8,17 99:13,16
101:10 111:12 112:25
115:18 118:3 121:22 125:4
127:21 129:3 131:5 135:14
157:6,14 158:19 171:8
174:5 181:25 182:2 185:25
231:16 239:6 246:6 252:11
252:12 271:17
plus
119:7
pneumonia
54:25 55:1
point
23:22 39:9 40:2 55:6 58:15
69:20 132:8 134:18 139:10
143:11 173:3 183:10 193:8
216:9 219:7 227:14 259:7
260:3
pointed
104:19
points
123:14
poison
53:2
poisoning
28:25 181:14 182:16
policies
7:19
policy
14:3,7,17,19 16:14 20:20
20:22,25 212:22
pollution
141:8 218:22
polychlorinated
9:11,15 10:1 95:8 128:1
132:2,4 144:24 145:2,6
159:5 224:21 225:8 262:13
pools
152:21
portion
83:14 97:7
position
3:11 100:1 141:11 154:10
168:24 198:12 226:25

position (cont.)
precautions (cont.)
280:22
62:8 64:15 84:16 103:5
positioned
preceding
167:23
240:16
possibilities
precise
183:8
12:10
possibility
precisely
21:3 78:25 87:10 104:8,9
120:19
151:14 152:2,11
prefecture
132:14
possible
16:15 17:9 35:10 62:25
prefer
191:25
70:24 199:17 200:5 235:25
247:23 260:21
preferable
possibly
62:11
97:24 249:9 280:7
preferred
pot
218:15
133:2
prefix
9:24
potatoes
119:6
premise
184:9
potent
108:2 203:5,6,8 204:3
premium
208:21,23 209:3,10,20
21:20
210:2,23 211:14212:11,15 prepare
213:6,12 233:21
195:11
potential
prepared
111:20 198:4 216:13
100:9,11 114:20 195:4
235:22 236:19 260:13
215:13
262:12
preparing
potentially
90:17
235:11,12
presence
potentiate
116:25 130:19 136:11
282:8,14
139:11 208:14 221:8,23
potentiated
222:3,11 227:5 242:10,11
282:10,10
244:3
potentiation
present
283:1
5:4 26:16 30:14 49:12,15
pots
51:4,7,10 59:12 87:6 121:3
133:16
130:21 136:17 138:23
pounds
139:1,25 140:7 142:14
146:8 148:13 177:22
23:18 145:13,16
ppo
207:21 213:10 222:17
82:20 83:9 84:14 109:21,25
229:5 232:12 238:19
practical
243:10,18 244:4
111:22,25
presentation
practically
51:7 131:8 140:9
36:18
presented
practice
12:18 80:1 129:25 139:4
7:24 113:8
148:1
precancerous
presenting
203:2
131:17
precaution
presents
5:13
148:17
precautionary
president
16:11
49:22 122:19 138:4,6,8,9
precautions
143:23
11:11,13,15 12:16 13:3

president's
128:21
pressure
78:1,6 180:24 242:7,10
pressures
242:1,4,6
presumably
45:25 94:4 113:6 148:7
200:19 237:17 254:25
presume
24:17
presumes
175:9
pretty
40:24 41:2 42:21 48:6
80:22 95:22 97:4 104:11
105:1 106:4,14 111:3 115:6
120:13 134:14 137:1 140:5
140:6 201:10202:3 221:13
prevent
5:16 44:23 90:9,24,25
95:11 97:25 194:1
preventive
5:15,6
previous
5:11 30:21 41:16 72:18
94:8 96:25
previously
23:23 43:21 63:8,16 203:25
283:7,7
primarily
77:15
printed
80:15 92:6 96:12 114:17
prior
14:6 63:3 68:15 120:15
prison
286:12,16
private
206:18
probability
78:25
probably
11:5 17:1 18:4 53:25 58:12
69:15,17,21 76:22 101:17
123:7 126:4,7,9 135:20
149:17,20 156:9 188:7
191:5,10 193:14 205:10,16
223:16 225:15 228:17
234:6 237:23 238:10,14,25
239:20 243:6 285:19
problem
14:10 23:24 35:2 68:17
91:11 94:23 95:1 104:10
117:2 133:18 137:21 139:6
139:11,13 140:2 141:8,17

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[problem - put]
problem (cont.)
product (cont.)
properties
public (cont.)
143:12,24 151:22,24,25
267:7 278:21
12:4,6,12,15 13:2 15:18,18
195:6 207:9,15,16 287:18
152:17 153:16,18,25 154:1 production
15:19 43:20,23 64:8,13
287:25,25
154:3,5 155:8,16,18,22,23
38:6 56:25 58:11 145:8
147:19 199:17
publication
176:24 183:19 184:17
203:22 204:25 220:14
property
52:11,20 80:8,16 88:3
194:2,2,3 206:2 207:17
221:15 237:22
5:19 7:8 72:12
101:24 102:5 136:22
244:5 261:25 262:18,19
products
proposal
publications
266:7 269:13 270:5 279:12
5:10,14,12 6:5,9 7:25 14:24
122:22 123:1 246:16
9:18 87:22 156:21,25 157:9
280:6,7
16:2,1622:11,1843:20
proposed
168:4
problems
47:3 58:3 67:15 70:4 71:8
87:9,9 121:25 122:3 125:6 publish
8:6,7 13:7 14:9 17:19 25:24
73:2,4,11,19 74:14 75:5
proposing
14:22 79:18 81:18
26:4,8,22 27:23,25 28:21
84:20 86:23 87:13 90:25
247:4
published
34:4 38:14,20 41:25 42:1
91:23 95:15 98:3 103:24
prosecuted
9:9 13:19,21 15:1 33:20
48:4,6 55:25 62:13 103:14
104:7 108:5 111:14,23
286:11,14
39:14,16,18 49:7 52:21
105:19 106:16 108:10,17
124:4 129:9 135:24 137:10 protect
53:7,18 54:2,6 59:4 62:22
108:20 109:2,10 124:21
142:6,8,19 150:24 191:11
15:10 104:25 143:14
64:23 65:25 69:12 79:20
133:4 152:8 160:3,12 161:7
208:16 215:16 217:9
152:19 181:1,3,7,21,22
80:12 81:1,20 102:24
162:13 165:2,20,23,23
223:11 263:25
182:19 194:12,20 207:16
114:21 115:1,1,2 130:25
178:7,8 185:10 197:14
professional
279:18
131:10,23 135:5,19,21
217:12,13 230:14 232:23
1:1 2:44:12 112:18 113:16 protecting
157:25 164:4,9,19,23
234:12 235:11,12,23 236:2
126:16 287:25
182:5
publishing
247:14,15 248:7,9 250:7,11 professionals
protection
8:21
250:14 261:4 263:3,6
113:19
90:7
pull
266:20,23 268:25 279:1,4,7 profits
protocol
46:5 94:19
280:6,8
143:15
26:3,18,20 27:22 28:20,23 pulling
procedure
program
29:2 30:13,17,18 38:22
49:1
96:13 105:25
5:1621:15,17 142:10,12,14
41:17,20 109:9 122:15,16 purchased
procedures
143:10216:9
123:13,14,17 124:1 159:3
40:6,12 150:16 209:22,25
7:19 88:17 101:1
progress
159:22 163:11 246:3,12
purchasers
proceed
127:11,15,16,17
250:13,17,18,19,20,23
152:1
116:20
progressive
251:19,22,23,25,25
purchasing
process
62:17
protocols
17:14 112:22
43:15 143:14 260:13
project
30:10,20 108:13 122:1,3,22 pure
processing
141:6 143:9
123:3,5,6
23:1,11 58:7,10,11 61:23
106:5
prolonged
proved
61:23 172:22,25
produce
11:16 13:7 35:25 90:1
63:18
purnell
30:13
92:20,21 98:12 107:14,21
proven
229:3
produced
110:14
182:15
purpose
1:1 2:9 22:7 42:11 168:12 prominence
provide
16:12 24:9 78:22 89:4
168:21 203:13,14,17
23:12
20:20 151:7
114:24 115:21 143:8 181:5
214:16219:12,17222:19
prominent
provided
280:17
242:15 279:2
94:25 106:15 148:19 232:7
102:10,17,21 110:4 136:8 purposes
producing
232:9,16
provider
38:7
22:5,8,9 203:6
promote
173:19 174:9
pursuant
product
150:23 202:22,24
providing
2:16 250:19
6:10,12,14 7:17 35:22
promoter
111:4,5
pursue
43:16,1747:2,11,14,16,24
202:21,24
provocative
237:10,12
48:11 50:7 52:2 53:10,13
promoters
53:4
purview
57:12,21,24 66:13 71:20
200:24
prudent
142:5 143:2
73:12,13 75:3 77:23 91:7
promotes
64:14
pustules
91:11,14,15,1893:1995:8
203:2
psychiatrist
40:25
95:22 97:21 98:4,19,24
promotion
163:5
put
136:2,4 140:4 142:8 157:4
202:25
psychological
14:14 34:25 55:2 69:10
157:5 182:18 192:19 193:1 proper
248:6,8
90:11,12,23 91:3,10 94:7
193:4 195:6,9,14 197:17
80:15 99:19
public
105:1 125:12,21,21 132:21
211:20 227:7,19,20,20
1:1 2:5 48:16 50:24 59:16
155:20 156:20,25 157:8
Kelly, R. Emmet M.D. (frmr Mons Med Dir) in FISHER (2)

WATER PCB-SD0000047658

[put - recognize]
put (cont.)

question (cont.)

169:14,15 205:3 212:5
223:14,19,21 244:13
274:25 279:11

putting
15:6 91:6,7,22 197:6
239:11 265:3

putzell
138:9

pydraul
107:8

pyranol
25:2 82:23 83:19,22 84:14

q

quadrachlornaphthalene
45:16

qualifications
12:19 36:16

qualified
12:22 18:16 43:9 250:20
260:20,24 261:2,6

qualify
221:10241:14

qualitative
119:25 231:7 234:21

quality
44:1

quantify
280:18

quantitate
174:15

quantitative
234:21

quantities
107:25

quantity
244:5

quarantine
125:13,21,22

quarter
22:2 28:14 127:16,18

quarterly
22:1 27:13,14 80:14

quarterphenyls
133:11

queeny
3:8 5:2,4 14:7 88:25 89:1
89:10

question

179:20,23 180:9 183:7
185:25 188:22 191:3,16,17
191:18 193:3 194:15,16,17
194:25 199:22,22 202:14
211:4,11 217:2 226:17
231:14,15,21 233:6,7,8,11
235:18,19 239:3,6 240:22
240:25 241:7 247:3 248:24
260:14 266:19 269:22
274:9,11 277:23 281:16
282:19,19

raise

really

124:2

29:5 67:14 85:3,4 88:3
91:18 110:21 113:18
118:17,20 142:4 150:3
182:8 188:25 221:2 233:5
245:3

ralph
1:1,1 2:17 144:17

ram
205:10

ran

reason

52:24 70:17 75:9 78:19
82:21 138:15281:11

26:16 27:20 49:10 108:12
109:8 127:24 181:2,2,20,21
181:22 182:20 196:11,13
208:19211:8 219:16
246:19 277:21

range
85:24 124:9

rat

questioning

reasoning

128:4 271:8,11 273:17
32:23 38:19 154:21 173:16 rate
206:5 225:23 226:1 256:13
120:20 222:23

questions

236:20

reasons

rated

110:15

1:1 2:12 32:25 39:8 46:16
187:1
66:22 114:2,6 130:16 144:3 rats
144:13,18 155:13 158:20
53:20 62:13 72:24 74:2
178:18 179:15 186:5 206:8
75:2 77:18 124:13,15,17
125:16,16,18,21 128:3,11
quickly
192:7
129:5 196:3,20,22 271:22

quiescent
170:18 176:1

quit
143:24

quite
5:21 7:7 23:25 36:24,25
37:19 52:5 59:17 67:6,7
77:17 88:10 91:9 97:3
115:15 122:11 133:3
176:16 177:21 222:20
269:23 270:3

raw
5:10,12 226:6

ray
198:1,1

rays
198:2

reached
41:13220:11 236:18

reaction

recall
18:4 25:10,12 33:17 34:3
35:441:9 48:1551:9 52:19
53:24 55:10,18,20 57:14
59:12 70:14 83:13 87:11
103:10,14 112:1,7,8 115:10
139:14 140:12 154:13
169:8 188:21 193:7 210:5
210:13,18,19,20,24 213:8
214:14215:11,23 216:11
216:12217:3,15219:9
221:19222:16,21 225:11
232:17 253:18 256:3 258:4
260:17 275:25 276:14
280:23 282:2 283:19

110:16 121:1 177:18242:5 receive
242:15 264:22
30:4,25 31:24 32:9 38:4
quote
read
66:16 108:16,25 109:3
168:1 204:2 215:10
39:15 40:1 54:9,14,15
129:8,12 224:18 263:10
quoted
65:24 68:16 69:14,15 80:11 received
68:21 89:8
80:22 89:23 91:4 92:7
4:1 16:13 32:19 38:10
quotes
94:11 95:6 96:8 97:7,17
53:20 74:13 79:7 87:12,16
89:15
99:2,4,7 102:8 107:23
108:18 109:3 117:16
quoting
135:20 165:5 205:8 232:11
111:11 117:20 134:17
63:9 167:8 238:4 244:21
136:14 138:3 158:6,7
263:5
264:14,16________________
164:24 166:21 172:7,8,11
receiving
52:19
182:2,3 205:6 215:3,10,20
r
215:22 222:7 229:24 230:8 recertified
rabbit
231:15,17 239:7 248:23
4:8
208:20
249:4 255:3,4 263:24 264:5 recess
rabbits
264:15,20 265:11,11 266:5
58:17 69:23 180:16 204:12
72:2,25 77:17 270:10 271:4
284:1 286:16
214:25215:1 255:18

racism

171:23 172:3,9,22,25 173:2
173:2

5:15 12:18,24 23:17 26:5
26:15,24 28:5,7 29:4,10,15 racist
31:14,1735:11,17,1937:15
171:19 172:21 173:8,8,11
90:16 107:23 108:23
radio
137:7
112:16 130:15 132:7 154:4
157:6 158:20 160:3,10
raging
175:7 177:20 178:20
24:1

reading

recessed

67:3 80:4 99:6 157:18

144:7 287:6

real

recharacterizing

181:2,20 182:20

179:20

reality

recognition

63:24

68:15

realize

recognize

22:21 216:1

105:20 224:12

Kelly, R. Emmet M.D. (frmr Mons Med Dir) in FISHER (2)

WATER PCB-SD0000047659

[recognized - research]
recognized
6:4 72:10
recollect
209:13 232:8 278:6
recollection
40:10 84:4 91:21 129:22
131:21 155:19211:21
216:7 221:12 223:10,13
232:4
recommend
107:13
recommendation
36:6
recommended
101:1
record
2:22 29:16 30:8 31:7,18,21
32:22 39:1 49:7 59:9 97:8
97:17 101:11 111:12
135:14 137:11 144:4,5
179:25 264:21 287:25
recorded
280:25
records
21:9 28:1 42:6,11 163:22
165:7
recovered
33:13 42:20
reduce
141:21,24
reduced
185:21 287:25
refer
68:3 76:14 89:3 99:6
157:14
reference
63:3 180:18 186:7,15
188:20 189:22 199:23
205:2,25 206:12,17,20,23
207:8 227:11 252:20 257:7
257:19 260:6,7 263:25
268:6 270:7
referenced
254:18 264:2
references
38:8 116:6,7 234:7 274:7
referred
17:3 40:5 57:20 94:14 95:6
103:22 104:14 105:10
113:7 116:24 146:12
referring
7:2 54:20 84:6 89:14
110:19 126:6 160:19 164:3
236:22 237:2,8,9 267:20
285:12

refers
60:11,12 137:23 209:6
226:4 236:5,25 256:20
275:16
refine
20:14
reflect
180:20
reflected
152:10 241:2
refresh
277:4
regard
41:1460:4 74:13 107:18
174:10 176:10217:4
regarding
14:24 16:15 111:17
regardless
85:5 143:15 208:19
registered
1:1 2:4 287:25
regular
71:6 221:15 249:25 267:23
regulations
287:3
rehearsed
140:5,6
reinforced
29:22
rek
205:12,12
relate
87:21 216:15
related
5:18 7:25 25:23 26:8 27:17
28:4 61:12,14 287:25
relates
5:15,20
relating
9:11 35:11 103:14
relationship
9:19 67:24 197:5 249:24
relative
55:12 71:7 72:15 76:5
147:16 287:25
relatively
23:23 33:20 101:15 120:11
release
100:19
released
100:16
relevance
197:20 198:3 199:14,16
200:4,6 206:4 210:3 212:2
225:24,25 256:12

relevant
213:1 262:16
reliable
196:15
relied
71:5 168:9
rely
71:3 156:24 157:8 168:7
183:4
remained
3:10
remember
8:16 18:18 34:11 35:3
36:12 37:5 41:8 46:3 52:4
54:5 87:2 115:5 121:17
123:16 124:7 130:9 136:2
190:10 203:23 204:24
205:1 213:20 220:17
remove
153:12
removed
250:3
renate
168:1
repair
67:17
repeat
26:5 29:6 57:5 239:6
244:16 248:25 271:17
repeated
11:17 12:25 35:24 87:10
90:2,3 92:21 104:8,10
107:13,21 253:18 279:15
rephrase
132:7
replacement
142:6
reply
66:20
report
8:24 30:12 38:14 43:12
51:24 53:9,13 55:6 59:24
59:25 60:2,13,19,20,22,25
61:4 74:12,25 75:5,17
77:13 78:9 79:25 82:19,23
84:10,24 85:1 87:4 99:17
101:12 119:23 127:17
128:2,10 129:4 135:22
171:19 178:3 221:19 247:2
248:15 249:4,10,14 271:1
286:3
reported
26:9 33:14 42:25 44:6
47:1849:11 52:11,12,24
53:6,14,22 55:13,22 60:3
84:14 108:9 115:8 118:11

reported (cont.)
128:20 168:25 170:3
171:15,17 174:12 175:12
178:1 179:1,9 180:2 186:3
199:20 217:5 230:5 243:7
263:2 267:16 269:19
reporter
1:1 2:5 144:9 182:3 204:13
224:3,4 231:17 239:7
255:19 287:25
reporting
1:1

reports
10:17 16:8 27:11,14,17
28:9,14 37:24,25 38:20
48:9 65:5 74:9 75:15,21
76:4,12,15 78:14,18 79:7
79:11 80:24 84:19 87:15
106:25 107:3 108:19,23
109:1,3,4,5 111:25 117:10
117:15 119:15 121:2
127:16,16,25 128:6 129:8
129:13,17,17 227:5 230:16
245:16 247:21 251:1,2
252:4,5 254:18 263:10,10
270:4
represent
144:16
representation
5:8 158:13 164:25 182:24
182:25 183:3,5,17 184:7
representations
44:8
representative
206:1
represented
1:1,1 167:2
represents
2:20

reprint
110:6

reproduction
128:5,11
reputable
254:11
request
14:17 16:24 17:23 77:7
85:9,10
requested
74:6 83:2 182:3 231:17
239:7
require
28:3
research
18:21 43:14 49:18 50:17
51:5 55:6 57:8 58:3,4 61:1

Kelly, R. Emmet M.D. (frmr Mons Med Dir) in FISHER (2)

WATER PCB-SD0000047660

[research - sauget]
research (cont.)
62:2 70:2 77:8,10 117:17
121:24 123:24 286:24
researched
213:21
researchers
133:25
residency
36:19
residue
174:3 231:4,5 242:18
274:14
residues
270:21
resolved
40:24 269:13
respect
21:10 27:25 38:20 41:16
55:11 70:7 71:13 84:14
108:1 120:24 156:17,20
218:12 236:2 238:8 245:25
264:22
respiratory
75:11 77:15
respond
16:25 104:1
responded
16:18
response
66:1671:16 108:15 119:15
282:19
responsibilities
5:5,25 156:15
responsibility
13:24 93:3 143:10 173:4
220:1
responsible
92:23 121:6 125:25 141:7
223:16 237:23 238:11,15
238:25 239:20,25 243:6
247:16
responsive
108:23
rest
11:6
restricted
98:4
result
27:3,4 64:12 66:2 108:1,8
134:1 166:18 203:21 235:8
249:21 264:17 269:6
277:18 280:6
resulted
262:19
results
51:4 52:12 53:6 71:1,3,10

results (cont.)
right (cont.)
run
79:19 110:6 129:25 130:3
116:1,18,21 119:14 121:20
34:4 42:2 56:23 58:11 67:6
retired
128:13 130:12 131:25
67:6 73:18 75:5 85:10
10:19 164:12,13 285:9,13
134:13,15 135:7 136:20
86:22 121:9 122:15,24
285:15
138:20 139:3,8 140:23
124:5,9,11 165:21 245:8
retirement
141:15 158:19 167:9,12
261:8 267:23
11:22 167:23
169:4,10 170:9 174:5,9
running
returned
178:9 179:6,24 186:9,12
124:12261:3
187:18 188:2 189:14 190:6 runs
3:10 5:2 156:12
revealing
190:8,12,19,24 191:1
24:2 165:22 221:15
162:8
192:13 195:25 200:1,8
rush
reversed
201:12 202:15,19 205:5,10
246:24
64:3
207:8 208:5 211:17 215:21
s
review
217:1,17 218:11 226:8
saccharin
7:23 9:3 10:7,12,22 27:8
231:21 233:10,12,16
196:19,19,21,23
28:8 74:9 79:7 115:6,6
234:23 237:20 244:22
sack
129:12
247:20 252:4 253:6 254:22
197:12
reviewed
255:1,15 257:4,6,7,17
safe
8:14 17:1 27:12 39:4 64:17
259:20 260:5 261:5 264:24
5:14,3 13:24 14:23 15:2,5,6
75:17 79:10 100:15 157:25
268:2,22 270:16 275:22
17:9,15 37:10 64:19 65:3
225:13
277:7 281:16,23 282:19,23
67:23 68:7 79:3 81:6 88:16
reviewing
282:25 286:1,10
90:12,17 97:1 98:9 101:1
7:24 39:5
ring
103:4 109:17 115:20 158:2
reviews
270:8 271:3 274:16
167:13 198:6,11,12,18
9:1 16:5 27:13
rings
safeguard
revised
144:21,22 146:25 147:3,11
98:10 99:4 194:5
99:18
147:12
safely
rice
risebrough
6:6 10:23 11:2,8 29:23
132:22
130:24,25 131:17,19 216:2
84:16
richard
217:18,22 218:10
safety
121:24 131:7 215:8 216:23 risebrough's
84:20 193:24 242:8
218:8,9 222:9
121:5 131:8 217:23 218:1
sake
richard's
robert
92:16
216:24
1:1,1 2:8,23 117:24 287:10
salaried
rid
287:25
21:23
43:24
rochester
sales
rigged
131:9
5:15
33:9
rock
salesman
right
120:9
17:13,22 104:21
3:174:11,21 5:5,21,107:4 role
sample
7:188:15 10:7 11:10 13:1,9
5:14,19,22 21:13
136:9
14:8 15:4 16:18 18:9 20:19 roll
samples
22:17 23:14 29:17,18 32:7
21:1,23
67:5,6,7 68:13
34:7 39:20 40:1 43:3 45:9 roof
sand
48:14 50:13 53:16 54:2,16
234:18
197:10,11,12,18 198:8,21
54:19 55:10 56:24 58:2,9
room
199:1,21
60:16 61:22 62:4,18 63:13
77:25 78:6 123:25
santo
63:15 64:5,12 65:4 68:2
rough
222:13
70:14,23 73:15,22 74:22
188:25
sat
75:20 76:8 77:7 78:5 79:22 roughly
175:18
80:11,2381:1083:12,13
47:20 57:25 190:4
satisfactory
87:5 88:1,5 89:2 90:15 91:1 route
158:2 167:13
91:21 92:1 93:7,23 94:7,13
215:18217:20
saturated
94:19 95:17 97:14 100:3
rubber
72:4
101:9 102:10 103:16 105:2
45:25
sauget
105:20,24 110:3 115:16
146:13,19
Kelly, R. Emmet M.D. (frmr Mons Med Dir) in FISHER (2)

WATER PCB-SD0000047661

[savage - significant]
savage
sea
sentence
shaved
222:8
98:15
97:20 107:12 111:24
72:1
save
seal
195:18211:22 212:6
sheet
270:20
287:25
217:18 229:24 230:10
76:17
saw
second
232:20 237:20 257:19,24
shelf
15:7 17:1 20:4,5,6,9,15,17
42:18 54:14 55:7 63:22
263:17 270:19
137:7
28:13,13 40:23 41:23 42:5
78:19 85:15 97:7 105:21
sentences
shells
67:7 93:6 105:22 106:12,17
106:19 109:20 114:16
270:14
216:4 217:13
142:21 154:8 170:16,17
128:5 140:16,19 171:8
separate
shipment
174:3 218:6 222:20 236:12
204:9 206:12 249:14 250:3
57:8 61:16
98:14
244:23 257:11,12 268:10
257:20 264:3
separately
short
268:15,17,18 270:25
secondary
61:1
58:18 116:17 152:9 255:16
276:17 277:21
44:4 263:18 266:10
September
shorter
saying
secretary
59:25 60:19,23 128:12
146:5
6:12 97:18 102:19 149:21
138:12
series
shorthand
150:10 171:22 173:2,3
secretary's
23:1,7,1045:13,1746:9,10
2:4
174:23 175:21 190:17,18
113:3
47:12 84:6 114:11,14,20
shortly
198:6 199:11 207:16 208:3 section
115:11 142:10 270:8 271:2
21:20 52:21 54:6 141:17
238:22 239:2,12,14,18
88:17 97:7 100:8 102:6,8
274:15
shot
252:3 262:17 268:5 286:3
103:1 140:22
serious
71:19
says
seeing
32:20 33:3 42:21 48:6
show
2:10 17:15 56:2,12,13 67:3
54:5 137:11 222:16,21
155:7,23 174:2,22,24 175:3 21:15 32:13 39:7 92:17
99:1,3 107:13 136:6,14
seek
176:24 280:7
98:23 99:11 168:16213:9
140:22 158:1 178:7 181:17
31:11
seriously
215:4,5 237:22 239:21,24
187:7 197:11 208:18 209:2 seen
233:3
247:2 248:7 250:12 285:16
9:17 80:25 159:17 163:20 served
285:18
236:22 239:8,21,24,24
241:16 249:11 257:24
184:21 222:15 223:25
286:12,15
showed
260:20 263:17 266:16
257:14 276:12,14,15,15
serves
13:13,14,17 29:22 96:6
267:11,14 274:2,15
select
157:13
121:6 130:6 131:11 184:10
scarring
73:4 76:21
service
185:4,6 222:21
42:20 174:3
sell
3:9 5:2,6 59:16 156:13
showing
scars
46:23
207:9,15
27:20 28:22 38:21 41:16
40:25
selling
services
43:7 108:12 110:6 185:13
scenario
17:16 150:21
153:22
251:18 259:15 285:22
139:24 140:6
send
set
shown
school
6:11 14:10 16:22 17:23
68:24 82:10 287:25
28:19 95:9 97:22 99:5
48:15 50:24 76:14
37:24 56:24 57:2,5 58:3
setting
shows
schwartz
95:25 110:10 113:17 114:1
5:13
90:1 285:25
59:12
117:19
seven
sic
science
sending
65:20 97:4 142:9
89:7 90:7,8 119:22 180:1
4:2
15:1 91:19 116:5 129:16
severe
sick
scientific
senior
48:7 257:8
230:12 259:14
7:24 10:18 13:20 70:17
59:17 76:15 106:9,9
shack
side
73:25 74:3,10,25 86:2
sense
137:8
28:6
104:20,22 116:15 128:21
5:24
shape
sides
130:1 172:1
sent
42:3
29:5
scientifically
8:14 16:4 18:23 22:1 44:14 share
sign
270:2 286:8
44:18,18 57:15 58:5,10,12
112:18 128:14
174:1,1,6,11 177:13
scientist
60:22 62:1 75:18 94:18
shared
signature
99:24 112:21 168:18
106:22,24,25 113:4,8 115:4
50:13 75:22,25 84:2 128:17
105:20 115:22 224:1,12,14
scientists
115:11,13,15 116:7 117:23
129:17213:4
287:25
185:24
122:3 127:15,16,25 141:19 sharing
signed
scope
215:8 224:16 230:12 233:2
212:22
113:1
143:7
233:4 242:22 243:2 268:10 sharon
significant
scraped
268:11,17
111:16
68:24 171:4 173:18 174:10
231:5
258:10
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WATER PCB-SD0000047662

[signs - spend]
signs
sitting
sold (cont.)
soviet
177:13 185:15
234:18
196:1
119:8
silage
situation
sole
soybean
152:24 153:3,4 155:22
34:2 35:16 38:11 40:22
145:9
132:20,22,24 133:15
silos
41:11 116:13 119:4 176:22 solely
space
152:24 153:3,7,10,11,12,23
250:1 274:17
82:12
152:16
154:24 155:7,25 156:2,4,5 situations
solid
spaces
similar
250:5
71:25
11:19 187:12
9:8 95:23 96:25 129:8
six
solitary
speak
147:4,5,7,14,16 159:22
1:1 126:8 128:3 134:3
282:13
49:8 134:17 263:9
230:22 233:21 235:15
135:21 142:6,17 242:24
solo
speaking
240:19,20 257:8
279:10
8:3
81:3
similarity
sixth
soluble
speaks
227:22
63:7,16
150:9
212:6
similarly
sized
solution
specialist
111:18
24:7
277:16
162:18 174:25
simple
skin
somebody
specialists
147:21 160:3,4 244:7
7:14 11:17 13:5,1535:25
7:9 41:9 44:14 67:6 83:3
19:4 77:2 85:24 163:6
simply
53:5 72:1,1,25,25 74:18
104:21 113:7 116:3 117:8 specialized
26:19 30:14 38:10 49:6
75:10 85:6 87:10 90:4
117:11 199:12,20 255:25
8:12 88:12
92:18 109:8 175:19 182:16
92:21 98:13,13,19 104:8
someplace
specialty
single
107:14,21 110:14,16
9:23 34:12,16 204:25
4:6 5:13
71:17,18 147:17 153:6
113:14,22 116:13 181:13
somewhat
species
160:14,16 178:11 179:8
183:19 230:2 253:18,21
21:2 71:5 78:20 92:15
72:22 119:21 216:3
180:1 185:21 186:2 200:11
254:15 257:14 258:1,2
93:24 94:2 96:24 101:5
specific
200:13 210:20 250:12
261:17,25 266:6 267:15
107:9 130:7 147:5,7 230:21
15:22 38:8 87:8 104:2
278:21 280:19 282:12
279:15 280:7
233:21 240:18
114:8 115:9 159:18 163:11
sir
skinker
sommer
178:18 183:22 189:20,21
3:17,174:11,21 5:5,21,10
2:25
138:10
193:3 198:16 279:3,7
skip
soon
specifically
7:18 8:15 10:25 11:10,25
13:9 16:18 17:12 18:9
135:12
55:24 129:13
75:24 129:20,21,21 160:1
20:19 27:7 32:17 38:17
slice
sophisticated
161:1 179:3
43:2 51:11 58:24 59:7 70:8
55:2
44:10 137:2 250:13,17,23 specimens
70:10 71:12 90:15 91:21
slightest
sorry
135:5
93:7,23 95:17 100:5 104:17
209:11
8:9 12:13 88:1 99:22
spectrometry
108:18 119:24 126:25
small
130:13 132:7 134:7 135:9
137:4
127:3 130:6 137:16 140:20
20:11,12,16 106:4 119:6
185:6 188:21
speculating
144:15 146:17,20 151:17
197:5 245:6 253:15 278:23 sort
102:3 145:14,18 270:1,2
152:3 155:11 156:19,22
smaller
9:8 14:4,6 34:18,24 36:24 speculation
157:22 158:15 162:17
78:20 94:20
53:3 61:7 72:8,11 82:22
177:21 182:7,10 212:18
164:18 167:12 169:12
smart
87:7 103:25 104:22 106:15 speculations
186:21,22 191:4 192:22
43:24
112:16 114:4 117:17
183:9
202:13 207:8 214:23
smith
122:13 123:10 141:19
speech
215:21,22 217:7 219:15
176:22 242:14
29:8,8,15 31:6
1:1 2:19
223:2 224:7 227:10,13
smoke
sorts
speed
230:20 241:10 243:25
98:17201:18
70:12 75:13
246:23
246:7,11 248:3 249:4,7,13 soaked
sound
speicher
249:18 252:17,19 253:4
49:4
145:17 240:12 286:9
37:6 105:7,10 106:2,22
255:6,21,23 256:24 257:7 soap
source
108:9 109:14,17 110:5
257:17,18 258:22 259:23
98:19
111:4 112:16
111:17 196:16209:8
262:5 263:4 270:6 271:24 society
210:13,18
speicher's
272:12 276:3 277:13,21
4:15,15 9:22
sources
37:8
281:2
soft
196:17
spelled
sit
61:7
south
207:3
189:19 193:22
sold
2:25
spend
23:17 24:17 73:19 151:9
124:19
Kelly, R. Emmet M.D. (frmr Mons Med Dir) in FISHER (2)

WATER PCB-SD0000047663

[spills - sufficient]
spills
starts
stick
studying
95:11 98:1,3,14
97:18
189:8 272:25
68:18
spleen
state
sticker
stuff
247:14
1:1 2:21 18:14 33:19 51:16
94:23 95:3,24
25:19 36:1 46:5 56:24 67:4
splinters
68:11 80:19 82:13 148:13 sticky
127:18 137:2 142:20
181:2,8,11,22 182:9,19
154:3 165:1 182:17 197:11
46:3
143:24 279:14
splitting
208:11 236:16 287:25,25
stipulated
subacute
215:17217:15
stated
2:1 29:12
85:1,3 86:21,22
spolyar
47:19 62:12 65:18 66:8
stood
subchronic
33:18,23
109:8 110:14,17 133:17
55:15
85:5
sponsor
151:10 164:16 172:17
stop
subject
50:4 70:3
191:24 212:21 240:4
68:2 143:25 179:20 251:6
37:1048:18,19 109:16
sponsored
261:16,24
266:22
131:7 201:3 215:7
16:8
statement
stopped
subjected
sponsoring
14:14 36:6 68:11 107:15
192:25
77:17 132:23 133:14
70:6
139:9 158:1 160:11,15
store
283:11
spontaneously
162:25 165:10 166:1 167:8
98:15
submitted
269:8,12,13
167:19,20,24 171:1,24
stored
38:3 60:25 74:10 86:24
spot
172:9,22 173:11,15 177:18
152:24
100:14 281:24,25
116:16
180:20 181:15 182:23
story
subscribe
ss
183:21 184:3,5,11,14
133:9 152:7,9
8:16
287:25
197:12 200:24 201:5,7
straight
subscribed
St
204:2,7 209:2,9,12,14
179:25
8:7 9:7 52:16 287:11
1:1,1 2:25 3:8 4:1 5:2 17:24
210:14,17212:1,14213:16 street
subsection
20:24 21:24 49:23 93:16
213:17,18215:24 216:25
102:20
1:1,1
217:17,18,19218:13234:8 strike
subsequent
135:2 136:7 145:21,21
146:4,19 159:6 228:12
235:15 238:2 244:17 246:1
25:7 48:12 108:21 172:14
37:2
287:25,25
248:21 257:23
172:23 173:12 175:6
subsequently
stable
statements
240:14 250:15,21 262:15
56:5 81:11
120:13
5:13 14:15 15:9 59:4,10
277:22 287:4
subsidiary
stack
108:6 166:15210:11 218:1 strong
45:11
39:9
states
203:6
subspecialty
stamp
8:19 20:4,9 24:10 54:12
struck
4:9
106:7 205:3,6
69:16 80:18,21 93:13 119:5
24:6
substance
stand
121:6 130:22 145:10,20
structurally
7:5,6 45:6 63:4,23 83:8
265:13
148:25 167:21 169:1
147:4,5,7,19
98:12
standard
211:23 222:9 226:15
structure
substances
64:24 72:12 73:19 81:20
228:15 230:2 233:20
147:15 200:21
61:3 62:1 72:15
191:23
237:21 261:16,24 279:7
structures
substitute
standards
stating
274:22,24
43:25
183:13,17
65:12 183:23 206:17
studies
substituted
standing
208:23 240:17 266:25
12:19 13:13,21 50:14 70:7
43:18 144:23
115:4
270:4
70:17 71:1,4 78:23 79:14
substitution
stapled
station
79:19 95:9 97:22 110:7,8
146:25
96:18
113:5
119:19 120:5,23 121:10
sued
start
statistically
122:1 124:10 125:7 126:15
203:21
7:21 22:5 67:3 95:14,14
286:9
126:24 127:2,12 128:3
suffer
124:16 133:13 190:8
statistics
130:3,9 164:9 169:6,9
162:13 258:20 259:8 280:1
207:17
28:3
286:19
suffered
started
status
study
28:25 48:4 165:17 166:4,5
15:5 19:5 21:1225:16
127:25
38:8 40:20 86:2 110:9
166:16,17 167:3 183:18
36:19 39:5 119:19 137:9
steam
120:5,7 121:5 128:11
184:6 231:1,23 232:3,6
141:22 142:20,22 206:4
151:6
142:19 260:15 284:4,24
259:3,5 264:17,24 265:4
starting
step
285:5,8,11,15,16,18,21,25
268:11
270:13,14
66:24
286:3
sufficient
107:25 194:20 231:12
Kelly, R. Emmet M.D. (frmr Mons Med Dir) in FISHER (2)

WATER PCB-SD0000047664

[sufficient - temperament]
sufficient (cont.)
surprised
symptoms (cont.)
talkers
244:5
127:9
176:1,17 177:14,18,24
139:2,4
suggest
surrounding
180:2 185:15 230:5,17,21 talking
59:5
215:12,24
248:18 262:1,7,10,12,22
10:4 72:12 73:7 91:19
suggested
survey
263:18,21 264:2,4,7,15
112:21 118:5,17,24 120:25
58:22 111:15
68:12 158:23,24,25 159:2,4
265:4,14,18 266:1,7,10,13
121:1 128:24 130:17
suggesting
159:7,8,15,16,21 160:1,8,9
266:25 267:3,9,10,17,20,24
136:15 140:2 151:15 154:2
67:25 68:22
160:23 163:23 164:24
268:4,24 280:5 281:13
159:14 164:5 166:6,23
suggestions
168:7 213:22
synergistic
167:22 169:7 172:1 183:23
123:12
surveyed
283:1,3,5,12 284:14,15,20
183:24 184:1 199:19
suitable
160:5 163:18,24 213:21
synergistically
208:15210:9 216:1,2,5,5
90:5
surveys
282:7,13
221:25 222:17 223:11
suite
158:12,14 159:17 164:5,16 synthesized
226:12 227:18 236:6
165:3 185:13
270:9 271:3 274:12,16
237:11,15238:17,18,18
1:1,1
sullivan
susceptible
syphilology
239:13 245:7 251:13,24,24
103:20
283:8
39:15
256:9 257:12 260:2 261:6
sum
suskind
system
266:16 267:13 268:9,23
123:14
229:8 237:13 253:14,23
22:18 65:23 67:18 95:25
274:18
summarize
254:4,8,11 256:4 257:25
systemic
talks
110:3
261:11,16,24 262:6 266:5
26:23 28:21,25 62:25 90:3
216:21
summary
268:2,15,17
104:9 159:10 161:2 165:17 tall
242:2
suspect
166:5,17 168:5,25 170:1,9
24:4
supervising
218:16
170:19,22,24 171:9,14
tank
125:25
suspected
175:5 177:14 179:1,9,12
95:5
supplier
151:22 211:20
181:14 227:16 229:17,20
tape
43:22,25 44:1,5 45:1 50:2 suspicion
230:25 231:23,24 234:12
1:1
suppliers
214:21 221:19 236:9 239:9
236:2 245:25 247:21
taped
43:16 67:13
239:18,25 240:4
250:19 251:20 253:21
1:1
support
sustained
254:15 260:25 261:10
target
158:13 183:20 184:5
5:8
263:2,5 268:13 269:4,7
13:14,1871:5
supporting
swann
278:25 279:12,16,20,22,25 targeted
182:25 183:5 184:2 197:21
22:6,7,14 39:23,25 40:4,5,8 systemically
15:23
supports
40:12 44:23 161:9 165:19
30:11 247:9 249:8,16
task
160:15
165:22 166:8,24 250:2
systems
151:7
suppose
swann's
142:2
tcb
6:10 17:13
175:1
258:1
t
supposed
Swedish
telephone
tailor
68:7 219:21 260:2 269:6
117:11,20
15:25 16:3,13
1144
supposition
swelling
tell
taken
4:11,21 5:25 16:17 25:15
149:7 237:14 238:3
62:15
1:1 2:3,16 5:20 11:20 12:16
sure
swimming
36:15 47:16,17 60:7 62:19
13:3 22:15 95:10 98:12
5:25 50:8 53:24 59:2 89:25
152:20
66:13,25 68:2 76:19 89:4
178:3 194:1 280:10 287:25
90:24 91:13 92:15 105:22 sworn
91:10 94:21 113:19 116:9
talk
119:13 123:25 124:11,20
1:1 2:9 287:11,25
132:11 137:17,25 139:22
10:4 17:21 41:11 43:13
125:17 127:13 136:20
symposium
150:21 176:6,18,20 178:21
106:17 112:20 118:20
140:14 145:25 146:5 150:3
48:15,18,20 49:12 50:20
180:19 181:22 187:4,9,11
127:24 131:18 148:15,16
150:4,5 180:7 181:25
51:5,10,25 52:13 53:23
191:10,15 192:12,14
161:4 180:10,17 186:6
189:10,20 190:19 192:2
54:14 55:19 58:19,21 59:3
196:21,25 197:1 205:8
192 3 21016 250 6 260 1
198:11 203:18205:13
59:11,13
213:10 221:21 233:24
278:7
221:9,13 222:20 254:12
symptom
245:11 253:6,12,20 254:14
talked
257:12 258:7,8 261:2
172:2 173:25 174:7 232:8
255:1 259:21 260:3 278:20
37:19 50:6 51:19,23 89:5
269:23 273:25 274:18
232:15
280:9
107:7 110:19,24 113:10
275:14,15,25
symptoms
telling
12316 12715 23 170 13
surprise
41:2,4 161:11,13 170:7,8
46:25 182:5 244:18 280:23
175:24 177:8 185:23
63:21
170:17,21 171:17 173:18
temperament
206:24 216:17
173:19,20,25 174:12 175:3
172:13
Kelly, R. Emmet M.D. (frmr Mons Med Dir) in FISHER (2)

WATER PCB-SD0000047665

[temperature - tlv]
temperature
testimony
think (cont.)
threshold
77:25 78:6 218:15 219:22
38:5 194:4,9,11,18,25
59:8 69:5 73:6,21 78:12,19
68:7 81:12 116:10
220:5 241:18
195:1,2,3 214:13,14221:6
79:20 80:3,17 91:24 92:12 thrust
temperatures
221:22 287:25
92:14 104:2,23 113:17
227:21
11:18 33:11 36:2 72:5 79:2 testing
114:3 115:1 116:3 117:4
tie
79:5 90:2,6 110:18,25
7:2,3 69:25 70:3,16 71:10
119:12 121:9 122:25 123:8
242:9
113:13 151:20 152:16
71:13,14,15,16,22,23 74:19
123:9,10,14 131:3,10
tightly
187:12218:19,21 219:4,13
76:2,3 82:22 85:6 86:16
132:17 133:1 135:8,11
98:16
219:23 220:2,11,13 242:1,2
120:18 130:16 151:12,23
144:2 150:3 152:3 153:19 tih
242:6,10 259:14 279:15
159:24 161:14 168:16
153:21 155:23 158:25
189:17
temporary
221:22 241:21 245:19,23
174:14 181:16,18 182:4,6 till
33:9 34:3
246:4 248:8 249:19,23
187:14 191:25 197:15
169:8 221:16 260:8 270:11
ten
252:6 272:8 274:7 277:10
201:10,10,12 202:22,23
time
17:17,1821:1945:1846:10
278:8
205:14,23 207:5,15 208:20
3:6,7,11 5:6,8,21,25,25,13
46:1247:11,13215:9
tests
212:25 214:10,12,19
10:11 11:21 13:11,22 16:1
tendency
41:2 42:3 50:17 52:24,25
216:19 221:2,20 232:7
19:8,12,20 20:8 26:7 27:1
201:23
53:1,6 70:9,12,21 71:21
242:22 245:10 253:4,16
29:9 31:23 36:8,20 37:1
tenth
72:21 73:2,15,18 74:12
261:12 270:25,25 272:24
39:9 42:23,24 45:8,13
272:18 273:12,13,14,15,16
75:13 77:13 83:2 84:2,6
275:5 280:4 281:18 282:5,5 49:15 52:20 54:6 60:4,23
tenure
87:12 121:15 122:23 124:5
284:6
64:13,25 66:24 67:7 69:21
124:9 218:18 244:1 257:22 thinking
71:17 77:19 78:20,24 80:12
11:21
term
257:25 258:2 261:8 276:18
69:10 182:11,14,15 186:24
80:21 81:7 85:2 87:6 88:10
5:17 9:17,25 32:21 33:1,4
276:23
202:16 203:1
89:10,10,11 92:12 93:18,21
54:19 64:25 70:20 78:5
tetrachloride
thinning
97:10 100:13 106:17
130:9 147:16 150:12
53:2 282:8,14 283:1,4,6,9
216:4
107:25 118:18 119:9
tetrachloro
third
120:22,25 121:1,5 123:4
186:25 236:6
termed
271:20,25 272:5 273:2
5:12 34:11 55:8 104:13
126:23 129:7 130:18 132:1
263:18 266:11
275:16 276:1
thirty
134:18,22 137:3,8 139:10
terminology
tetrachloronaphthalene
62:23
143:13 145:23 146:3,5
86:22 186:16 239:4
271:15
thorough
154:16 167:2,2 170:16
terms
texas
14:13
175:22,23 179:8 189:24
9:14 77:21 78:17 187:3
18:21
thought
193:8 209:13210:17211:3
191:25 201:15
text
21:6,14 38:23 44:9 45:7,9
211:19216:8 221:5,13,17
test
225:3,4
56:2 61:6 69:8 77:4 81:5,7
225:13 227:14 228:16
53:1,4 70:21 73:11,13,25
thank
88:2 104:20,21 116:4
229:22 231:12232:12,17
74:6,9 75:4 78:19 83:4
32:16 96:15 98:21 99:13
120:11,14 131:2,24 132:18
232:22 233:13 238:16
84:24 85:10,13,21,21 86:6
131:25 144:11 163:14
134:9 143:18 146:1 199:9
244:4 246:24 258:5 268:17
86:22 87:11 121:25 122:18
186:5
199:24 204:24 213:25
268:18 270:20 276:12,24
122:20,21 123:15,23
thermometer
217:25 221:7 233:3 241:3
277:1,2 281:13 286:12,15
124:17 129:5 142:12,14
34:15
246:19 259:2
timer
159:23 208:20 273:8 281:3 thermometers
thousand
123:21
281:6,16
34:17
133:3 272:16,17 273:17,21 times
tested
thing
thousands
29:9 55:21 66:11 78:11
53:13,14 55:17 57:13 73:5
10:5 54:15 55:15 67:21
50:1 105:22 189:3,4
105:23 126:8,9 149:22
75:2 83:9 129:9 151:21
125:19 147:20 174:24
three
150:2 224:1 273:1,22
221:7 277:25 281:9,9 283:7
215:20 274:20
20:16 29:8 33:9 36:4 48:8 tissue
testified
things
54:14 55:7 67:19,20 74:20
159:25
39:3 46:7 47:15 55:21
7:22 45:1 106:12 121:4
79:11 89:15,17,18,20
tissues
69:24 82:9 83:18 103:7
143:1 164:10 172:1 178:4
102:20 110:10 118:18
246:14 247:6,9 248:9
131:22 133:23 149:8
217:16,23 222:17231:3
124:6 125:14,14,15 126:7,9 title
152:13 175:8,17214:6,11
232:13 240:19 280:5
128:11 134:12 135:21
100:6 101:24 128:22
240:6 284:16,18
think
141:21 171:9 174:4 175:24
156:12
testify
5:22 7:7 18:22 21:5 22:16
185:7 237:3 241:2 254:18 titled
244:11,12,14 287:25
23:11 24:8 25:17 28:6 31:2
254:19 259:5,6 261:14,18
102:8
testifying
32:19 33:19 40:10 44:9
261:18,20 264:12 268:6
tlv
64:5 189:20
52:25 53:5 54:1 55:20 58:5
271:25 275:16
81:6,18,24 82:10 91:17
Kelly, R. Emmet M.D. (frmr Mons Med Dir) in FISHER (2)

WATER PCB-SD0000047666

[tlv - uh]
tlv (cont.)
toxicity (cont.)
transfer
troubles
187:15 190:3 191:14
62:25 64:2,4 70:7 71:7,10
25:20 33:7,25 34:12 132:19 245:16
tlv's
72:8,15 74:1,15,16 75:1,2
133:15 151:4 220:6 258:15 troughs
191:24
76:2,3,5 79:12,16,25 85:1
258:17 259:3
49:3
today
86:22 87:14 91:15 100:25 transformer
true
64:5 192:13 193:22 276:17
23:25 24:2 83:10,22 110:1
167:18250:16282:12
103:4,24 104:3 110:7 111:1
282:22
112:19 115:20 116:10
111:16 113:9 150:22
287:25
told
122:1 124:19 128:1 129:5
203:15,21 245:15
truth
34:3 47:6,10 48:21 57:20
130:16 147:22 148:1,15,17 transformers
175:16 180:5,18,18,19,22
66:22 81:23 83:6 94:25
148:19,23 159:24,25
10:1623:1524:1,1225:4
180:23 181:4,9,23,24
104:4,7,11 111:13 113:12
192:20 193:5 198:3,4
32:11 150:15,25 158:4
182:12,21 183:1,6,21 184:8
113:13 116:11 129:15
216:15 245:8,24 253:3,4
167:15 220:12,15,24 221:7
184:14 186:4 197:1,8
153:25 159:11 160:4
257:21 258:12 270:10
262:24 263:3,7,11 275:8
282:23 287:25,25
271:4,5 273:7 274:8 276:19 transitory
try
171:11 175:13,23 182:7
184:16 193:17 195:24
277:11,14,19278:13,21
183:19
178:20 192:6 233:10
206:18 213:2 233:2 244:13 toxicological
translation
trying
254:12,16 259:17,19
5:9,11 8:7 15:19 16:7 37:25
190:18
15:14,14 143:14 160:8
261:10,11,12277:13
38:2 49:24 70:3,16 72:12
transmit
270:20 272:25 278:9
279:10,18
73:12 86:16 88:14 120:23
23:22
tube
tolerate
121:9,15 122:9 123:19,21 transposed
78:13
124:24
126:17 135:16 139:9
272:24
tubes
top
142:12 197:21 245:19
treat
49:2
114:16 126:20 137:22
274:17
5:22
tulsa
138:2 140:1 205:16
toxicologist
treated
218:19
total
16:25 17:5 77:6 88:11
44:22 180:24
turn
171:10
106:9,9 122:10,11,14
treating
45:3 121:20 169:10246:8
totally
161:23 162:5,9 205:18
44:21
252:11 257:17
154:21 166:21 172:24
286:10,18,21,25
treatise
turned
touched
toxicologists
116:15
46:12
143:5
8:13 19:5,6 72:10 77:2 93:2 treatment
twice
touching
131:9 161:25 162:2 246:21
5:11,7 39:23
20:11 126:5 168:3 228:15
287:25
toxicology
treon
twofold
tour
5:14 8:20 49:8 50:25 52:16
76:15,16,20 77:1,5,13 78:4
5:11,22
5:20 126:12
54:3,9 62:23 76:24 100:7
78:9 79:11,18 80:24 106:25 type
toxic
115:6 122:13
107:3 110:8 246:18,20
72:20,22 74:13 75:4 128:14
12:4,6,12,15 13:2 16:15
toxin
247:2
179:4 213:3
56:2,8,17 57:3,5 64:8,13
175:5
treon's
typed
90:3 127:5 130:4,7,7,11
trace
81:11 116:6
195:5 204:19
133:25 148:3,5,8,9,14,21
245:5
trichlornaphthalene
types
159:10 161:2,2 166:5,17
track
45:15
15:12 52:23 75:21 77:13
168:25 170:1,9,19,19,22,24
264:3
trichlorobenzene
86:13
171:2,9,14 177:13,14,18
tracked
83:1794:5 109:19 111:1
typewriting
179:1,9,12 191:15 192:16
28:6
219:9
2:6
195:16,20 217:5 218:24
trade
trichlorodiphenyl
typical
240:23 241:8,10,13,22
22:10 24:21,25 47:23 83:7
109:18
74:12 75:4,7 103:25,25
243:24 244:2,3 245:1,4
83:19
trichlorophenol
104:11 105:1 107:17
247:9,12,22 258:20,24,25 trademark
226:6 237:18 271:6,9 273:1
113:25 128:13263:21
259:3,8 260:25 268:13,13
93:13 96:24 109:25
273:20,22
266:1,13
269:3,4,7 272:10 273:2,16 train
trichlorophenoxyacetic
typically
273:19,22 274:23 275:3,23
24:3
206:11
14:22 104:19 112:18
276:9
training
tried
u
toxicity
18:25
20:10 136:25 139:12
u.s.
5:17 6:5,8,14,21 7:1,2,5,8 transcribed
trouble
8619
7:16 10:8 12:7 13:24 14:15
2:5
178:9 245:14,15 260:4
uh
14:20,23 15:3 16:4,5,25
transcription
280:4 284:22,24 285:6
67:9 206:16
17:9 29:21 37:10,23 55:12
2:16
Kelly, R. Emmet M.D. (frmr Mons Med Dir) in FISHER (2)

WATER PCB-SD0000047667

[ultimate - want]
ultimate
unreasonable
vapourisation
207:14,18
287:3
98:2
ultimately
unreasonably
vapours
67:23 92:25 93:4
11:23
98:18
unable
unstated
varied
242:15 243:15
181:2
14:25
uncontrolled
untoward
variety
200:21 242:5
90:9
201:4
undated
unusual
various
277:2
65:13 87:7 123:10
9:17 15:12 16:1,1 19:22
undergo
upper
21:1 22:17 45:15,16 53:3
26:17
205:5
67:24 70:21 72:15 74:14
understand
upset
144:23 206:18 240:3
5:14,199:1531:1,1645:6
34:2 241:25
260:13 266:9
132:6 143:8 178:21 179:24 usage
varying
187:4,15 203:19 217:8
187:17220:11
72:19 263:18
241:24 251:15,16 256:15
use
vendor
269:18 275:4 279:24
9:14 10:15 11:23 15:16,22
141:6
understanding
15:24 16:9 17:16 32:10
ventilation
68:16 100:25 103:4
45:22 54:19 72:18 85:21
62:9 90:5 110:24
understands
87:9 95:3,12 98:2,4 100:18 verbiage
179:25
102:9 103:11 108:5 109:17
91:3
understood
111:19 115:8 123:23
versa
29:17 38:1 48:9 133:23
132:23 142:8 150:13,24
106:2
206:9
156:17 157:4 158:2 167:13 versed
undertaken
168:25 191:12,23 199:15
163:7
120:18 246:12 249:19
220:2 241:21 252:24 253:2 version
undertook
253:7 254:9
81:1 97:15
220:20 245:18,23
user
versus
undue
195:5 199:18 207:14
2:17
5:20
users
vertigo
uniform
24:19 30:5 31:25 32:10
229:21 230:6 232:6,16
62:15
156:24 157:1,2,3,7 207:18
262:3,22 264:8 265:22
union
uses
266:8,17,21 267:18,25
45:11 119:8
25:7,9,13,14 32:2,3 239:20 vice
unit
usual
106:2 138:6,8,9
133:15 218:19 220:6
43:19 133:13 172:13
video
222:18
usually
1:1,1
united
16:20 72:23
videotape
8:19 9:9 20:4,9 24:10 54:11 utrecht
2:17
69:16 80:18,21 119:5 121:5
135:15
view
130:22 135:2 145:9,20
5:25 70:24 94:15 123:15
V
148:25 167:21 169:1
159:1 260:3
value
226:14 228:15 279:7
viewed
68:7 81:12 116:11
university
94:10 96:4
values
4:2 70:20 76:13 77:1 107:1
viewpoints
69:6
unknown
123:2
vapor
35:13 273:24
vinyl
78:1,5 92:22 113:12,22
unload
45:24
vaporization
14:10
violated
95:12 151:12
unofficial
36:1
vaporize
14:7,13
violates
218:22
unpublished
36:5
vapors
6:22
Virginia
65:23 78:7 80:1 90:1,6
unreactive
1:1,1 20:12 225:20 226:16
104:10 151:19
120:13
226:19 229:13 241:24

vis
71:7,7 188:20,20
visit
20:2 40:14
visited
41:6 42:23 43:4 126:10
visits
20:8
volatilize
77:21,23 78:10,13
volatilized
77:16
volume
1:1 39:18 62:23
voluntary
21:4,5
volunteered
108:22
volunteers
252:21,24 253:2,7 254:9
260:6,11,16261:3
von
38:2,8 51:14
VOS

134:24 135:15,22 136:23
214:5 221:17
vossburgh
51:15 52:8,8
vp
138:7
vs
1:1,1 287:23
w
wage
21:1,23
wait
171:7 178:17 195:17260:8
2645 11 270 11 27425
waiting
125:11
waived
287:25
waller
1:1
walls
231:6
want
31:20 38:18 47:1 50:7
92:17 95:19 98:22 99:11
102:15 107:23 124:16,23
130:15 143:21,22 155:10
155:17 180:10 181:25
182:17201:14211:25
212:5 215:10234:14
251:18,20 253:14 273:4,5
282:23

Kelly, R. Emmet M.D. (frmr Mons Med Dir) in FISHER (2)

WATER PCB-SD0000047668

[wanted - workers]
wanted
weger
wide
words
5:25 15:8 70:1 78:22 79:2
228:5 255:10 256:18
201:4
5:13 54:25 112:20 120:9
91:2 94:7 106:13 125:23
weger's
widely
132:6 159:25 178:1 188:11
wanting
255:2
25:20 54:9 69:14,15 80:16
209:4,5 212:6 237:3 239:4
173:7
weight
80:22
239:20 259:16
wants
62:15 174:22 271:10,23
wider
wore
158:21 207:15
weighted
85:24
138:16,16
warn
188:1
widespread
work
152:18 153:11 193:15
went
20:25 72:17 141:20 191:12
4:22,25 5:18 13:16 16:8
200:5,7 284:10,21
3:9 4:22,24 5:21 10:11
widmark
18:4,12 34:10 38:2 53:9,9
warned
14:12 22:2 25:14 34:23
117:14 118:11 119:22
59:17 65:1 70:6,19 76:23
152:5,14 182:18 193:18,22
35:15 36:21 43:25 46:20
121:2 137:6
77:8 81:11 82:5 88:15
193:25 278:12,15
49:3 54:1 104:7 107:6
widson
89:25 91:25 109:2 110:21
warning
113:7 122:4,15,17 123:4,5
119:22
110:21 116:6,7 122:9,12
5:13 92:19 153:6,20 154:4
123:6 125:7 126:1,4,7,9
wild
125:25 129:25 131:8
154:7,8,9,12,17 180:25
137:5 190:3 191:10216:8
134:14
134:23 172:13 173:4
181:5,17 194:4,11,18,20,23
216:10,16 222:20 286:18 wildlife
176:17 198:24 221:17
195:4,11,13,14 199:13,15 west
215:7 216:14,18
222:11 235:4 237:12,13
210:21 219:11 258:19
225:19 226:16,18 229:13 william
243:19 246:21,25 280:15
277:9 282:13 283:21
241:24
141:12205:17
286:19,21
warnings
western
window
worked
152:10 153:14,17 196:2
219:2,3,5,23
18:13,14 88:9 160:20 168:2
1:1,1 119:7
210:7 219:19 222:24
westinghouse
wipe
173:5 179:8 212:8,13
243:22 259:7 262:11
24:13,15,22 30:16,23 36:10
125:19
222:24 265:5,6 283:17
279:13
37:2,9,14,22,24,25 38:9,11 wire
286:11,21
wash
38:12,12 75:25 83:7 84:3
45:23,24 49:3,5 58:23
worker
98:19,20
93:14,14 96:23 105:8,12,18 wires
5:23 15:8 27:4 28:16 29:19
Washington
106:14 108:9,14,16 109:25
46:5 49:1
68:5,8 91:4 160:24,24
126:19
112:2 150:18 165:6 185:19 wiring
162:25 167:2 176:10,19
waste
westinghouse's
45:25 46:1
178:11,25 179:9 180:2
95:24,25 96:12 98:3
38:4,13
wish
181:16 182:5 183:18 187:3
watch
we've
281:15
187:4,11 194:13,19 195:5
34:4
28:18 36:3 50:10 58:14
witness
230:17 248:16 249:2
water
66:11 80:25 117:18 130:16
37:1358:1685:19 116:18
269:24 280:11,20 281:20
98:20,20 102:15 120:12
160:5 180:12 183:22
116:21 144:11 180:15
workers
151:6
213:11 256:9 272:25 273:1
239:5 251:7 254:2 287:25
5:23 12:20 15:7 25:24 26:9
waterways
whatsoever
287:25,25,25
26:13 27:2,8,15,21 28:1,8
98:15
27:24 175:7
witnessed
28:24 29:25 30:1,10 34:22
watt
wheeler
218:18
38:15 39:23 40:20 41:22
88:7 89:5
18:3,25 105:5 106:21
witness's
42:4 65:19 67:24 69:4 79:4
wax
109:15 110:4 111:24
49:9
82:3 109:10 158:13,17
222:13
112:17 121:23 122:3,8,8
wok
159:4,9,12,13,17 160:2,17
ways
123:7 125:7 126:4,6,7
132:25
160:22 161:1,8,17,21,24
103:8 208:14
131:6,19 140:14 153:24
women
162:6,11,16,19,22 163:12
weakness
205:9,21 215:8 222:8,20
110:21
163:17,23 164:6,16 165:1,4
174:19 177:25
223:22 224:11 228:24
wonder
165:7,16,19 166:3,6,7,8,16
wear
230:9,16 232:10,13,24
97:19
166:17 169:19,22,25
98:18 181:1,12,17,17 182:5
233:25 235:9,19 236:16
wood
170:14 171:5 173:20,23
182:7
238:4,4 243:8 244:18,21
117:16 118:4 180:24
174:11 175:16,19,24 176:6
wearing
256:16 258:7,8 266:15
woodard
177:9,10,10 178:14 179:1
181:7
267:11,12,14,20
126:19
179:10 180:3 183:25 184:1
week
wheeler's
word
184:6,11,17,21 185:1,7,11
34:9 218:4
18:9
77:20 207:2 241:22
185:16 187:9,15 193:15,23
weeks
whereof
wording
212:4 213:25 223:17 230:6
34:6 68:14 85:8 232:25
287:25
235:18
231:1,22 234:12235:11,13
235:23,24 244:6 247:13,13
Kelly, R. Emmet M.D. (frmr Mons Med Dir) in FISHER (2)

WATER PCB-SD0000047669

[workers - zink]
workers (cont.)
yeah (cont.)
247:17 248:15 249:11
183:11 197:4 218:10 222:2
250:10 251:2,16,16 258:25
239:10 259:16 261:21
259:1 264:8,16,25 265:4
264:7 275:14 276:25
267:17,21,23 268:11 269:2 year
279:6 281:3,6,9,10,16
3:12 11:6 20:10,11,18
282:3 283:6,9,10,22 284:6
67:19 88:20,22,23 124:16
284:8,21,23 285:1,6,22
126:5 129:4 176:16 190:1
worker's
205:20
5:24
yearly
working
158:16 159:13
5:3 6:1 18:21 41:1 65:21
years
72:11 159:13 176:16
17:17,18 18:16,22 19:2
183:18 187:2 221:16
20:16 21:10 25:8,14,22
270:20 284:12
30:3 37:2 64:20 67:20 68:9
workmen
69:17 82:5 106:3,4,5
62:9 110:20 158:6 167:17
110:10 111:14 112:7
168:6
119:12 120:10 124:12,13
workmen's
124:13,15,17,24 126:8,9
27:10
134:3 157:21 158:1 160:18
works
163:8 167:13,22,22 172:21
126:13
174:4 175:24 177:23
world
178:13,24 183:17,23
149:1
209:11 212:8,13 242:24
worn
243:14 250:6 254:11 285:9
181:14 182:19
285:13
worse
yellow
218:23
48:7 283:13,16
write
yesterday
259:10 273:10
186:7 188:19
writes
york
232:10
51:18
writing
young
92:23,24 100:12 103:9
46:3
106:2 114:5 185:22 281:1 younger
287:25
70:18 82:19 86:2
written
yusho
34:13 43:12 89:6,18 92:6
132:9,14 134:1,8
92:25 106:18 109:4 112:5
z
158:12,14,22 204:18,18
zack
205:20 213:8 244:23
284:25 285:5
wrong
zeroes
56:3,3,4 61:21 165:12
190:19
167:19 184:9 190:24,25
zink
197:17 214:6 241:25
218:18
wrote
66:3 67:19,20 103:11 116:3
205:14 216:23 232:14
255:10
X

xeroxes
127:25
y
yeah
59:21 110:12 114:18 122:8
Kelly, R. Emmet M.D. (frmr Mons Med Dir) in FISHER (2)

WATER PCB-SD0000047670